[maerF0x0]

You cannot apply data without values. If I told you X people die every year from Y, it would be your values that suggest if we should do anything about it.

X could be lots or little, Y could be Covid or the death penalty. Data tells you nothing about the justice of a situation.

[arcticbull]

I don't know man, all the data I see shows the system costs half as much per capita and has similar or better outcomes - and that wait times exist in both countries. So given outcomes are the same or better, the justice level must therefore be roughly the same for half the cost.

You pull out tired narratives like 'care quotas' as though they only exist in one system but not the other. You pull out tired narratives like 'wait times' as though they exist in one system but not the other. I linked you an interview that explains what the industry has been doing to further this narrative, and you didn't read it because again, it doesn't align with your preconceived notions.

What you're telling me is that you don't want to engage on data because the reality on the ground doesn't align with your values and you've been fed a crock.