[mountainriver]

We are pretty far left on abortion, Roe v. Wade is much more permissive than most European countries.

Race and gender in modern far left US views is also far left by Europes standards and the US is actually leading the way in this regard.

Europe is just way further along on the welfare state than we currently are, but thats only one aspect of liberalism

[tyrolen]

The US might be leading the way, but hopefully other countries won't be following. Redefining what it means to be a woman or a man (or neither, somehow) in terms of gender stereotypes is an awfully regressive idea. And the US obsession with the identity politics of race, sexuality, gender identity, etc. at the expense of class solidarity has been a disaster for the left.

[welterde]

You are aware that even with Roe v. Wade there is still considerable variation in laws between the states? And I wouldn't say that the limits set by Roe v. Wade are at all very permissive compared to most European countries. Neither was the law recently suggested by the Democrats. And keep in mind that the ruling and the suggested law only restricted the limits the states could impose, the states themselves could still decide to be more permissive than that - and that maybe that's where that impression comes from.

I disagree that race and gender is a far left thing here. Of course you never really defined what you meant exactly here.

[mountainriver]

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/22/upshot/abortion-us-roe-gl...

"With Roe in place, the United States has also been an international outlier on abortion rights, but in the other direction. Few countries allow abortion without restriction until fetal viability, the cutoff set by Roe v. Wade half a century ago — currently around 23 weeks, because of medical advances. That makes the United States one of just over a dozen countries that allow abortions for any reason beyond 15 weeks of pregnancy"

The far left's views of removing all ties to past racial discrimination, redefining the narrative of how the US is was formed, is extremely racially progressive and rarely seen in Europe.

[welterde]

I personally wouldn't call that incredibly permissive, but just natural scatter due to differences in definitions, but in practice you are correct - only a couple countries in EU have similar time frames in the end. At least if there are no medical reasons or other things at work, then mostly later is allowed as well.

Not sure what you mean removing all ties to past racial discrimination. But having a look at the bad parts of history is not that an outrageous thing in Europe - at least not in Germany.