[maerF0x0]

pay out of pocket is the nature of the system, so it's not really a point.

What would be a good point is a discussion about if want a society where the people who pay for a procedure get better outcomes, or if we're willing to say to those who pay "You will get a worse outcome because we're also serving those who cannot pay. This comes down to cultural values and ethics.

[arcticbull]

Again, you are ignoring that healthcare outcomes in Canada are generally the same or better and that wait times exist in both systems. [1]

[1] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2801918/

[cwmma]

> "You will get a worse outcome because we're also serving those who cannot pay

Vs America where you get a worse outcome due to laborynthian beuracratic rent seeking.

Sounds terrible for Canadians to be forced to make things better for poor people if they want to improve things for themselves.