[fruzz]

I understand that they have Reasons, but it sucks that my Core i3 laptop with 1TB SSD and 24GB RAM is deemed "too old" to run Windows 11 (by one CPU generation), when the current lineup of laptops at Best Buy have way worse specs.

[ChuckNorris89]

I'm running Windows 11 on 11 year old hardware wihtout any TPM. I doubt you can't install it on your machine if you tried a clean install.

The TPM things was mostly a showstopper if you upgraded from Windows 10 but easily bypassed via a clean install.

[pdenton]

Linux always boots perfectly fine with TPM hardware support disabled, even when there actually is such a chip built in.

The real showstopper would be if "SecureBoot" would be enforced. I hope it never actually happens for personal computers. Everything else in the consumer electronics business is pretty much a lost cause already.

[belltaco]

TPM 2.0 and Secure Boot are two different things. Secure Boot has been enforced by default for the better part of a decade now with the major consumer Linux distros supporting it, and can be disabled in the BIOS setup.

SecureBoot prevents a very dangerous set of persistent rootkits that are completely invisible to the OS, not sure why tech savvy folks are against it for the vast majority of computer users, even Linux ones. Many UEFI setups allow you to add your own keys to the EFI and self-sign.

>Linux always boots perfectly fine with TPM hardware support disabled, even when there actually is such a chip built in

That would mean Linux is less secure in that scenario since the TPM is used to secure store things like hard drive encryption keys.

[tpxl]

> The real showstopper would be if "SecureBoot" would be enforced. I hope it never actually happens for personal computers. Everything else in the consumer electronics business is pretty much a lost cause already.

This is the end game. Widespread hardware and software support with default off, then default on, then always on. All to protect users from themselves of course.

[belltaco]

The so called "end game" is already here on mobile/tablets with iOS and most Android devices. And also Chromebooks. I have a Chromebook that got bricked because the TPM malfunctioned and there's no way to repair it without replacing the mainboard. Yet all these devices are credited with being more secure devices compared to PCs.

[hulitu]

> Yet all these devices are credited with being more secure devices compared to PCs.

Yes. They are more secure for the manifacturer. Do you want to give this app access to your files ? To all your files. And it phones home. Encrypted so you cannot see.

[aaaaaaaaata]

Security ≠ Privacy

[westcort]

Win 8 had a secure boot. It was tricky to get Linux working on that system.

Right now, I am looking into repurposing an old thin client as a daily driver machine.

[compsciphd]

Dell's Wyse 5070 (and 5470 AIO with a passable for non professional graphics usage 24" display) thin clients are $100 (ebay or even dell outlet) machines that make great daily drivers. they aren't speed demons, but with a m.2 ssd stick and 8-16GB of ram, they are more than fast enough for every day use (my 5470 seemed to just stay at a 2.4ghz boost clock in a reasonably ACd room (and with just passive cooling to its cpu, no fan). So don't even need really old ones.

they also make great plex servers, due to intel quicksync for transcoding videos.

[navjack27]

Secure boot is at least on the latest insider versions I'm on. I was unable to apply updates on the dev flights because my updated motherboard BIOS had the default option enabled for CSM which I thought was absurd when I finally looked. So yeah. You can't install future versions of Windows 11 with CSM enabled.

[Markoff]

Why it sucks? They are doing you the service, you just don't realize it. Each new Windows upgrade brings more disadvantages/limitations than advantages. I'm using W10 and I guess that will be my last one, when I installed new OS on other laptop I went for 8.1, if I installed new OS on my main laptop I would probably go for W7 or at worst W8.1, those two were peak Windows, it's all downhill since then.

[_ea1k]

I noticed the same with an older i7 here. The requirements are nonsensical.

[LoveMortuus]

I have i7-8700K but I'm using the legacy mode, meaning if I'd want to install Win11 I would have to format the entire computer, which for obvious reasons I'm unwilling to do.

I think I'll probably be using Win10 for as long as I can and then switch to Linux. My laptops already run Linux (Debian :P) so I'm quite used to it.

It still feels dumb not being able to just upgrade my computer to Win11... I'm running GTX 1080, CPU mentioned above, 16 GB of RAM... There really isn't any reason why I shouldn't be allowed to upgrade in such a way that I can keep all of my files...

I'm guessing that Win10 will probably be sunset in about 5-10 years so I'm actually quite excited to see how far will Linux get by then!

[sdflhasjd]

That's an odd and unbalanced configuration. What do you use it for?

[kasabali]

Too much Chrome tabs?

[lkxijlewlf]

Especially when we all know that some 90% of windows 11 is really windows 10, 7, XP, etc... underneath.