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by mtkd 5349 days ago
26% of the iPhone 4 was manufactured by Samsung:

http://www.economist.com/node/21525685

Samsung have for a long time been a bigger player in the smartphone market than they look from their device sales alone.

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Sure they have, and as long as we count parts and phones, rather than revenues, or better yet, profits, they will always be "bigger" than Apple, in that sense.

I have a feeling they'd rather be more profitable though.

Comparing "Samsung profits" to Apple's profits is meaningless - Samsung is not a single entity but a group of 83 interlocked companies (chaebol) which is largely controlled by the founder's decedents.

As a matter of scale and impact, Samsung accounts for 13% of South Korea's GDP.

But, Apple's net income is greater than Samsung's according to Wikipedia.
As a consumer, I think I'd rather buy from the guy that's, yes, profitable, so they don't disappear, but not the one that's making quite so huge margins on the stuff they sell me.
Sorry, but that seems dumb.

You'd rather pay $100 for a flash drive to the guy that only makes 10% on them because of his low volume or bad logistics, than pay $80 for the flash drive to the guy that makes 50% margin because he's the high volume buyer and has great logistics?

Me, I'd rather pay less for the best, and if that guy has better margins, so much the better.

What if the guy that makes 10% on them doesn't earn more because his drives are made to last longer and he provides better working condition in his factories? Not saying that Samsung is like that, but there are plenty of reason beyond volume and logistics to justify different margins.
That would be Apple ;) You can probably use the latest iOS longer (as discussed yesterday) and it also hold a much much better resell value.
Huge margins tend to come from good software, and I would much rather have better software than care what the manufacture's costs are.
As ramchip says below, there are a zillion reasons why high margins may happen, including some that are "good", and some that are "bad". All other things being mostly equal, I'd go for the guy who's not making as much money off of me, because that means that more of the value is accruing to me, rather than to him. Simple as that.
You're assuming that the cost of goods sold (the price minus the margin) is a reliable indicator of the value you receive in the final product. That's a really questionable assumption given that the whole idea of company that converts raw goods into finished consumer products is to maximize the amount of value they add onto the raw cost of making the item.

You're basically saying you prefer to buy from the company that adds relatively little value to its products in the form of good design, efficient production or good sourcing of raw materials.

Let's say a company found a way to create goods with negative raw goods costs - such operations do exist, usually by converting trash or waste into a desireable product. (E.g. sewage into fertilizer pellets.) Is that a less desirable product than one that has a lower margin?

This seems a bit backwards. The price and hence profit that the guy can sell you his widgets for is set largely by how much you (on average) are willing to pay for the value his widget brings you.

Saying, hypothetically, "All other things being mostly equal" isn't really useful here I don't think. It's saying: 'assume the iPhone and SGSII generally represent the same value to people' clearly for a large portion of the people, they don't.

( I own a SGSI )