[gubby]

And the atrocious disregard for performance over the last few years. My 2014 OSX 10.14 home Mac Mini is so much faster and more responsive than my 2021 OSX 12.4 work Mac mini (with no notable difference in features) it is difficult to conclude anything other than malice.

[astrange]

There is probably something wrong with the machine. If it's M1 it really shouldn't be slow unless it's under serious memory pressure. If it's Intel, it's more possible, but could still be dust in the fans or low disk space or such things.

[dannyw]

Since recent versions, macOS now phones home and gets apple's permission over the internet before allowing you to open a binary. This is a synchronous blocking operation.

If your ping is 30ms, you don't notice it.

If your ping is 300ms due to say weak wifi, you do notice a 300ms wait when you open an app.

[astrange]

Above post didn't say anything about app launches. There was a popular blog post about that, but it doesn't mean it applies to every issue.

[kbenson]

It doesn't need to apply to above post, it can apply just as well to your statement that it means there's something wrong with the machine if it's an M1. If a slow or laggy connection affects responsiveness in launching desktop apps, that's definitely a reason it could feel slower that doesn't mean there's something wrong, as it would be completely by design.

[threeseed]

I don't know how a 300ms delay for a first-time app launch would render a machine unusable and requiring regular restarts.

[cassandratt]

My M1 Mac blows away my 3 year old desktop outside or raw graphics output due to the desktop having a 1080. It's such a massive power leap, it's difficult for me to believe that you bought a M1 Mac. I suspect you have hardware, or PEBKAK issues.

[Nextgrid]

Raw performance as measured in benchmarks, sure.

But the newer OSes do feel more bloated and indeed are sometimes slower. My 12-inch Macbook (low-powered dual-core i5) on Mojave feels much faster at opening built-in applications and simple tasks than my M1 running Monterey, and yet I can't think of any Monterey feature that I actually use over what Mojave already had - my workflow is exactly the same but now I seem to have to withstand a performance tax.

[dannyw]

Latest versions of Mac OS connect to the Internet and gets apples permission before opening an app.

If you are on a high latency network, eg weak wifi signals, you'll be waiting 200-300ms.

Those on super fast internet don't notice, and think it's a problem with you, but no, it's Apple.

[threeseed]

> Latest versions of Mac OS connect to the Internet and gets apples permission before opening an app.

Pretty sure this is only on first time launch to verify the notarisation.

It doesn't happen every time.

[cassandratt]

Is that only for the App Store? I'm not seeing that traffic.

I live in a rural area, city under 40k. We don't have amazing internet.

[sneak]

No, it's for all apps.

[cassandratt]

This isn't my experience at all. I'm feeling fortunate that we don't use the same stack. ;)

[AnonHP]

A tangential correction: it’s PEBKAC, not PEBKAK, as written in your comment. The last letter stands for “chair”.

[FranksTV]

I'm guessing you're running Intel versions of apps, and the emulation us slowing things down.

[al_borland]

My home Mac mini (2018 Core i5) running 12.4 runs dramatically faster than my work MacBook Pro (2019 Core i9) running 12.4-ish. It's malice, but not by Apple. It's from my company installing so many agents that typing becomes problematic. Some days it is down right unusable and I have to reboot every 2 days just to try and make it better.

[sneak]

I refuse to install software on macOS that requires root. (With the current single exception of the Creative Cloud, for which I am actively seeking replacements.)

[al_borland]

Unfortunately I don't have a choice. They silently push all kinds of things to the system. Every week my fans spin up and I look at the Activity Monitor to find a new agent using all my CPU.

[eastbound]

Have you found? Affinity Photo and Designer? Krita?

[andrewjl]

Have you tried comparing your i5 Mac mini to an M1 Mac?

[al_borland]

I have a MBP with M1 Pro, but that doesn't have any work junk on it so I haven't had the need to do any real comparisons. The only thing I could really do is check my FPS on Minecraft, but I don't play it enough or obsess about FPS enough to bother.

[edgyquant]

My M1 Mac Mini keeps up (and beats) my 2018 RYZEN with a dedicated graphics card.