[2arrs2ells]

It’s not that bad. It’s normal to have your car window broken overnight or to see people shoplifting openly at the pharmacy or grocery store. In certain parts of the city there’s fairly open drug dealing & use. And the homelessness is heartbreaking.

Violent crime / theft happens - but not at a noticeably different rate than other large cities.

Still the most beautiful city in the US (imo) and the natural beauty 30 min outside the city in any direction is insane.

[gsibble]

I moved to Boston. Those things you describe I saw daily in SF - broken car windows, theft at retail stores, and rampant homelessness.

I can go months in Boston without seeing a single homeless person, drive around all winter with all my skiing gear in the back of my car, hell even leave my car unlocked with my laptop in it while running into a store, and never once seen a robbery or violent attack.

No, what happens in SF is extremely disproportionate to normal around the rest of the US.

[colpabar]

It's so funny how we people will say that it's not that bad, and then their reasoning is that:

- there is homelessness, but also something expensive that I enjoy

- there is crime, but also something expensive that I enjoy

- there is open drug use, but also there is something expensive I enjoy

It seems like a 'let them eat cake' response. "Why doesn't everyone just spend the money I do so I don't have to see all these problems?"

[Majestic121]

Is your first sentence a rhetorical device to make the point that it's extremely bad ?

Some level of crime happens in most large cities, but if it became 'normal' something is extremely wrong. It does not have to be like this.

[everdrive]

I’ll never understand this mentality. “Sure, you’ll likely be violently assaulted and your car will be broken into regularly, but there are a lot of nice restaurants!”

[rkk3]

And with outdoor restaurants it's possible to combine the thrill of potentially being randomly assaulted with the pleasure of fine dining!

[gsibble]

I was at Quince once ($5,000 meal) and looked out the window to see a homeless man shitting on the window. Ah SF.

[chasd00]

That sums of San Francisco nicely. No thanks.

[bushbaba]

I’ve seen Violent crime happen at a much higher rate. Same goes for car theft. Covid caused a huge surge.

SF will likely have tax rev shortfalls this year, and their reserves were already tapped into. The surrounding communities however are much more fiscally conservative with large reserves still in tact.

[jeffbee]

> I’ve seen Violent crime happen at a much higher rate.

That's an anecdote I guess but according to SFPD's own stats violent crime hit an all-time low in 2020 and was the same in 2021 and up only slightly in the first 5 months of 2022.

[bushbaba]

Why report crime if the police don’t do anything and they make it difficult to report.

All my SF network stopped calling the police when crime happened. That includes violent crime such as street fights.

I was walking in SF and saw a guy holding a machete. He looked at me and said “don’t worry I’m not going to hurt you.” He then pointed down the street and said, “This is for him”. I called the SFPD and they never showed up. Later on a death was reported.

That told me all I needed to know about SFPD. you dont rely on them.

A peer once told me if you want the SFPD to show up, state you have a weapon and will use it in a public setting if necessary in defense of your life as the law permits.

[option]

“to have your car window broken overnight or to see people shoplifting openly at the pharmacy or grocery store. In certain parts of the city there’s fairly open drug dealing & use. And the homelessness is heartbreaking.”

- Well, no, this is NOT normal. these are the points of a failed city.

[zen_1]

That level of casual crime is worse than Cairo.

I couldn't imagine living in a place like that, let alone having kids grow up there.

[cedricd]

You shouldn't have to live that way. That is bad and not normal.

[jl6]

That first paragraph is what you call “not that bad”? It sounds dire.

[Redoubts]

This is why San Francisco is terrible. The people there refuse to admit basic problems, staring them right in the face.