[southerntofu]

> Today, we migrated the Bitcoin node to the Umbrel App Store and took the last step in our transition to becoming an app-agnostic general purpose OS

Hello, do you have plans to interop with an established selfhosting distro and package scheme? Yunohost, Freedombox and Libreserver come to mind. If you'd rather go the containerized/virtualized way, there's a dozen or so distros based on Docker/LXC/K8S to make selfhosting easier.

I'm always happy that people are building stuff for selfhosting (though like others i'm skeptical of anything cryptocurrency-related), so please don't take it as a dismissal of your work, but i don't understand the appeal of building yet another solution and package format that's not interoperable with the others who have been out there for 5/10 years and provide good services to plenty of users already.

To be fair, apart from Dockerfiles there's not exactly any decent specification for declarative sysadmin (network ports, filesystem access..). The selfhosting field could certainly use a specification for selfhosted packages across distros, because the current situation places a strong burden on volunteer maintainers to keep up with updates.

[ignoramous]

> If you'd rather go the containerized/virtualized way, there's a dozen or so distros based on Docker/LXC/K8S to make selfhosting easier.

Which ones do you have in mind? Would you count ChromeOS as one of those, too?

[southerntofu]

> Which ones do you have in mind? Would you count ChromeOS as one of those, too?

A few i had in mind (from my bookmarks): Cloudron, Sandstorm, HomelabOS, libre.sh, UBOS, Unraid, Helm, CasaOS, servers.coop's Capsul. In my opinion, in those virtualized solutions Sandstorm is the only one that's not a simple GUI for docker/LXC and had some actually interesting research going on (especially in terms of security). That's for generic selfhosting solutions, and i personally have no strong opinion about these as i'm more interested about bare-metal solutions that work on low-end hardware (Freedombox/Yunohost/LibreServer).

To this list you can add the free ansible/docker recipes used by friendly hosting coops such as webarch.coop or disroot.org. I'm guessing many other CHATONS.org/Libreho.st federation members also publish their recipes, but i wouldn't know for sure.

I don't count ChromeOS as anything as my understanding is it's just a web browser with a custom kernel? I may be missing something as i've never used it, and if i don't have the source code and/or have to pay Google a single cent to use it i most probably will never try it out.

[ignoramous]

Thanks for the pointers. Btw, you may want to give ChromeOS a second look: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25884262

[southerntofu]

Thanks for the information! To be honest, i'm still not interesting to fall into anything maintained by Google, but i see the value you're proposing.

Personally, when it comes to desktop virtualization, i'm very happy with QubesOS. It's not designed for graphics performance, but it's to my knowledge the only distro providing decent security for multi-VM graphical workloads, and their research keeps going!