[ocdtrekkie]

To be fair, I think Umbrel has a very different consumer story: Since it has a much stronger crypto focus, it is targeting consumers much more likely to spend (crypto)money, I think, than the average consumer.

And a key difference is that Cloudron and Umbrel may monetize selfhosters, which I believe Sandstorm did not endeavor to do at all.

[kentonv]

Ah hah... Well... I have no intuition for what might succeed in the cryptocurrency space.

With Sandstorm we did plan to have paid apps and in-app purchases eventually, believe it or not...

[agentdrtran]

Cloudron devs have said they're profitable the core team is salaried, but they have some larger nonprofit/NGO type customers.

[ocdtrekkie]

Yeah that doesn't surprise me, you pretty much have to pay them regularly if using Cloudron, even as an individual, whereas nobody hosting their own Sandstorm server ever had to pay anything. Even when Cloudron was open source, updates weren't automatic unless you subscribed.

I think personal servers is pretty key, so I'm glad there are a few endeavors working on it.