[Shadonototra]

It is in EU's interest to keep trading with Russia

It is not in US's interest to let EU keep trading with Russia

USA wants the EU to be their giant marketplace where they can sell their culture and products

USA also wants to weaken Russia so they can finally contain China North, East, West and South

Seems like you were sleeping the past century, blurry days ahead!

[astrange]

> It is in EU's interest to keep trading with Russia

Russia's been blatantly assassinating people across Europe for years and would invade Poland in a second for personal pleasure even if it caused an economic loss for them again.

They haven't evolved past Mongol horde methods of living with their neighbors and are relying on everyone else always taking the "rational" result of appeasing them rather than fighting back. The correct response in this iterated game is to punish them and let their more productive people immigrate to you.

[Shadonototra]

the US has been blatantly assassinating people across the Middle East and across the entire American continent

They haven't evolved past Far West horde methods of living with their neighbors, they are killing each other with firearms and countless death in schools

They let their people die, and their house burn because they have no money

They impose trade sanction to whoever doesn't want to knee and show their submission

They'll also impose their military base in your country [1]

Look at the evolution of Russia past 3 decades, and look how it has improved significantly, same can be said with China, they are barely in debt, what can be said about the USA? during that timeline

Ohhhh, yeah, the USA can trade with Saudi Arabia, no bid deal there ;)

But yeah they are good at seducing people, so the pill is easier to penetrate, i will give that to you

[1] https://news.cgtn.com/news/2022-05-16/Japanese-protest-U-S-m...

[astrange]

> the US has been blatantly assassinating people across the Middle East and across the entire American continent

Have you noticed that literally nobody cares about this? Even the people we killed don’t care. Even Greenwald, who started this line of argument, doesn’t really care - he just hates Obama, he dropped it the second the next guy did it even more. (And Biden has completely stopped doing it.) Even you don’t care, you’re just doing whataboutism.

That’s because the ME countries aren’t actually allies just because they’re next to each other. More importantly, we don’t lie about it when asked, and we don’t use wacky spy methods like poison and radioactive weapons.

[Shadonototra]

> Have you noticed that literally nobody cares about this?

well, it's like saying people left SF because the grass is greener the other side of the country, not because it'll be a nuclear warzone

[alaricus]

America spent 20 years on a mass-murder spree in the Middle East, and we ended up having to take care of millions of refugees as a result.

America is not a friend to Europe. We have no business joining America in a struggle against Russia.