[brnt]

> People have been trained to think they need an e-mail address for real-life things, but they don't.

The Dutch government not only defacto requires it, soon an Android or iOS phone with their app will be required too. Only very determined, very patient people with lots or spare time will be able to do without.

[reaperducer]

The Dutch government not only defacto requires it, soon an Android or iOS phone with their app will be required too

What do poor people do? Or the very elderly? Or those with diminished mental abilities? Or people whose culture eschews technology?

[vkou]

I assume they do the same thing as anyone else in any other country does. They go through the fall-back bureaucratic channel of 'haul your ass over to a physical, brick-and-mortar agency office'.

[brnt]

They get screwed, in most cases.

[paganel]

The Dutch people should probably protest against measures like those.

[brnt]

They don't, because they are largely anti-luddites.

[jay_kyburz]

I was thinking about this on the way home the other day. I'm the most tech savvy of all my family and friends. I live and breath tech. Code all day, game all night.

But I'm the one who hates all smart home devices. I'm the one who wants a dumb TV. I would be perfectly happy with my dumb phone if it didn't keep pocket dialing emergency services.

I want less tech in my life not more.

[10u152]

I'm in a similar spot and have an ancient, dumb plasma TV on its last legs. I've poured HOURS into researching a replacement dumb TV that is reasonably cost effective and available. It's way too hard. I can get commercial displays from Samsung that are about 50% more expensive than consumer grade and about 4 years behind in picture/quality but that's about it.

[ieatfood]

I just never gave my TV the wifi password.