[zdragnar]

> and let browsers add a little button or something for the user to actively engage with

Meh, you'll just get full screen modals begging you to push the button. So long as a feature which (ostensibly) drives engagement exists, every ad based website is going to do whatever they can to get you to use it.

There are some really good use cases for it, but I think the balance is tipped by the far too many bad (for the user) use cases.

[corrral]

Having seen it in the wild I agree that it's more trouble than it's worth, and we'd be better off if the whole feature was ditched until/unless it can get a serious re-think. I'd be very surprised if the ratio of unwanted-to-wanted web-push messages is better than 10:1. I'd not be at all surprised if it's closer to 100:1.

[google234123]

A mozilla study showed that sites already try and show <<100s billion notifications to users a year.

> Notification prompts are very unpopular. On Release, about 99% of notification prompts go unaccepted, with 48% being actively denied by the user.

So 99%+ are spam and the rest are probably users who accidentally hit accept.

[jakear]

For a while I would get web pushes from some new site I just have visited once and accidentally accepted. I had no clue how to disable them for ages until a friend showed me. (Yes I could have looked it up, never reached critical energy)

I have to imagine many people are in the same boat.

But engagement is up 3%!