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by cloudengineer94 1470 days ago
Still only supports one display. Also they increased the prices across the board..

Quite happy with my M1 Pro, a beat and a hell of a purchase.

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This is disappointing. It has 2 Thunderbolt 4 ports but can only drive one external display. So unnecessary, this would be the perfect machine for my home and work setup, but I have 2 external displays in both cases.
They are 100% doing this intentionally. They want to drive power users toward spending more and they know that many of us will…
Really disappointing considering they now support up to a 6k external display. Yet you can't do 2x 1080p, or 2x 4k.

I think Apple knows a lot of customers care about this and want it to be a barrier getting them into a pro machine. The cheapest laptop they sell with multi-external-monitor support is $1k more than their cheapest laptop overall ($2k vs $1k).

Wait, you can't extend the display to a second screen?
Yes but only one external display plus the build in display.
There was some dock from a 3rd party vendor that let you do more screens, but I can't remember which one...
There are a few. They are able to do this by using something called Display Stream Compression. While it may be find for some, a lot of us would prefer not to have a diminished experience with a compressed stream.
Display Stream Compression (DSC) is fine. It is not a "diminished experience". DSC is visually lossless.

Instead, those docks use a technology called DisplayLink which has nothing to do with DSC. DisplayLink means that external monitors are basically "software" displays that are tremendously slower and often very limited in resolutions and frame rates. Having any DisplayLink display connected also breaks HDCP and can cause other problems.

The relevant standard is proprietary, but Wikipedia quotes it, confirming that "visually lossless" is marketing lies:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DisplayPort#Display_Stream_Com...

DSC doesn't solve the hardware limitation of only being able to drive a single external display on the M1, that's a hardware thing that cannot be changed. You have confused it with DisplayLink, which is basically another graphics card, hence why it "solves" this problem, but the experience is worse because it's CPU-intensive/software rendered.
Good catch. Definitely meant DisplayLink.
I bought and followed the online tutorials about using the DisplayLink docks and whatever else I purchased from Amazon and I couldn't get it to work with 2 external monitors. It isn't straightforward.
Does the 13" MBP support multiple displays?

Sorry- I'm horrible at reading Apple Specs and inferring the capabilities

just the one external screen (two screens total including internal).

https://www.apple.com/macbook-pro-13/specs/

People have gotten round it by connecting additional screens using display link adapters.

Awesome thanks for the assist! That page makes it clear, I guess I'm actually just horrible at sifting through the marketing to find the spec page :)
Display Link is alrightish for light office work or coding. But not much else.
Can you use two external screens if you disable the internal screen? That's what I do now with a ThinkPad.
No sadly you can't
My 13" 2014 MBP supports 2 mDP + 1 HDMI = total 3 external displays.

Running external display at 4k@60Hz is possible but not straight forward, it requires patch core graphic framework, or using 3rd party boot loader. Newer models do not have this limitation afaik.

Intel != Apple Silicon
Wait really? I was using 2 external displays alongside the built in desplay on my m1 just a few days ago. Or is it a limitation only with m1 mb airs?
> on my m1 just a few days ago

M1 != M1 Pro/Max/Ultra.

If you have an M1 Pro or M1 Max or M1 Ultra, that is not "[your] m1".

Each chip has significantly different capabilities in a number of aspects. As far as display support goes,

M1 = 1 external display[0]

M1 Pro = 2 external displays

M1 Max = 4 external displays (3 USB-C + 1 HDMI)[1]

[0]: the exception is the M1 Mac Mini, which doesn't have an internal display, so it can use two external displays.

[1]: once again, the desktop version without a built-in monitor can support one additional monitor, so the Mac Studio with M1 Max can support 5 displays.

Is there a technical reason that the M1 only supports a single external monitor (optimized intended experience), or is just market segmentation?
Every GPU on the market supports a limited number of monitors. There are fixed-function (not programmable in a traditional sense) blocks of silicon that are used to support each monitor.

M1’s GPU came equipped to only support the internal monitor and one external monitor… a very slim configuration, but that’s likely influenced by its smartphone processor ancestry. Smartphones don’t need to power a bunch of displays.

The larger M1 chips have bigger GPUs with more of those fixed function blocks.

It isn’t artificial market segmentation at a software level, but it is certainly market segmentation at a hardware level, and something they knew would happen when they designed these chips.

In the end, they were pretty spot on about the market segments. Most people want/need external display support… but one external display is plenty for most people. People who need more are likely to also want more in general, and the higher end options satisfy that.

It still would have been nice for them to upgrade things for M2.

Got it, I thought they were saying it was a limitation of the chip not the specific laptop they had. Thanks for the clarification!
It is a limitation of the chip. The M1 chip and the M1 Pro chip are not the same chip.

The laptop itself has nothing to do with it. If they decided to put an M1 Pro chip into the MacBook Air, it would be able to have 2 external displays.

M1 Ultra = Every display known to man.
Apple probably could support 10 displays off of M1 Ultra, but I guess they decided to leave some displays for the rest of us.
14 and 16 inch Macbook Pro's support multiple external screens up to 6K. https://www.apple.com/macbook-pro-14-and-16/specs/
That's the case for the M1 Pro and M1 Ultra. The regular M1 only supports a single external display.
The M2 as well, unfortunately.
Only supports one external display, as opposed to the 14"/16" machines that can do maybe 3 or 4?
They did? Seems to be the same price as M1 MacBook Pro.