[sgjohnson]

> iMessage

Unrelated to this, but for all intents and purposes, iMessage cannot be considered e2e encrypted if either party has iCloud backups enabled. Apple has access to your iCloud backups, and they contain the iMessage keys.

[arwineap]

IIRC With the keys they can technically decrypt in line, backups are not required.

[dmix]

Yes they can choose to decrypt messages going forward (by injecting a third key controlled by the gov/Apple in a multi person message and silently copying messages) but they can't retroactively decrpyt them in that case.