[mongol]

Many people bring up the "discover new music" argument. It is probably subjective, but for me this has never been an issue. There are so many way to discover new music today, there are tons on youtube and people recommend in the comments, you see a mention of something and head over to Wikipedia, follow some links, and so on. I don't need an algorithm for it, an algorithm that most likely is more optimized for revenue than anything else.

[ryandrake]

Streaming has sacrificed so much at the altar of "discovery". Sometimes you want discovery and sometimes you don't. More and more, I'm finding I don't care about discovery and just want to listen to my music. If it's a choice between my old late-2000s era iPod loaded with my carefully curated list of albums and streaming services which are optimized for "discovery" and "engagement" and require the network to be online, I pick the iPod any day of the week.

Other people like streaming, and want The Algorithm to feed them discovery, and that's fine--it's just not for me.

[anticristi]

> an algorithm that most likely is more optimized for revenue than anything else.

Yup, that is the core issue. We have all this great tech, but then deploy it against ourselves. The peak is when FB optimized for polarized (ahem fake) content, because that is what drives "engagement".

I'm not sure what is the solution here. Regulations around more algorithmic transparency? "Low tech" alternatives? User education?

[the_only_law]

> there are tons on youtube and people recommend in the comments

I mean if Spotify UX is bad, YouTube is absolutely trash. I have to pay to be able to stream media if my phone is locked.

[mongol]

There are apps that work around this. I use NewPipe. No matter how bad the Youtube app is there is plenty of music to find there

[javajosh]

I almost always listen to YT on my desktop, connected to the stereo. And on Firefox with extensions to help with the rest.