[jdminhbg]

The difference is that the barrier to entry is so much lower now. If I were trying to help someone just starting out, I would point them at something like repl.it instead of whatever is preinstalled on their machine.

The system Python and Ruby installs on macOS at this point are more of a hindrance to newbies than a help. You have to explain the differences between versions and hope they don't have to deal with any conflicts.

[andrekandre]

  > The system Python and Ruby installs on macOS at this point are more of a hindrance to newbies than a help

true, though it wouldn't be so bad if macos had a built-in package manager instead of needing to reach for homebrew (as great as it is)