[jawr]

I think everyone always looks at it from the perspective of the hobby mailer, when instead gmail looks at it from the recipients point of view.

It’s really really trivial to automate buying a domain, get some IPs and setup DKIM, SPF and DMARC. How can a provider determine intent?

Gmails approach is to mostly use user signals, which in my opinion is the best way.

At a company I’ve worked for, they sent some mail using sendgrid to a poorly made mailing list and we’re in gmail spam for ages.

My personal ran email mostly stays in inbox.

[Hizonner]

From the recipient's point of view, having incoming mail that is not spam dropped is a fucking problem.

[jawr]

It’s only dropped if the relay/server sending it is not behaving nicely, otherwise it’s there in quarantine (spam) awaiting user signals to train it.

I think it’s such a typical mindset that people with very limited domain knowledge think that people with a lot more domain knowledge are just being stupid.