[kleinsch]

Sure, but now you're talking about a group set that's more expensive than most electronic shifting sets. I had 15 year old bikes that were great, but I don't have the irrational hatred for electronic groupsets that most of the commenters here seem to have.

[PaulDavisThe1st]

I don't hate electronic shifting. I don't like the innacurate disparagment of an older, simpler, generally more reliable technology, even if it is possible to name some benefits to the new stuff.

[ak217]

Is it really that hard to believe that mechanical shifters are less reliable than electronic ones? I've lost count of the number of cables my shifters have eaten over the years. We're talking about a clockwork-like ratchet handling a cable under many pounds of tension going through many twists and turns, moving hundreds of times per ride, and very hard to access for maintenance. To me it's pretty clear that regardless of Shimano's mistakes, electronic shifting is the way forward.

[PaulDavisThe1st]

I've never had a shifting cable break on me (despite being an ultra-marathon and touring cyclist for 20-30 years, bike commuter for 15+ years, and more). I don't know what you mean by "very hard to access for maintenance" - the most maintenance I ever do is maybe add a few drops of lube inside any able housing once every few years. The cable and ratchet do not really interact with each other.

Electronic shifting involves non-user-repairable and definitely not-on-the-road maintenance, which for me personally is a negative (even though it is true that I would likely not be able to repair a cable issue on the road.

[caycep]

Ultegra and Dura Ace DI2 is expensive. Vs. the cost of Campagnolo Veloce/Athena/Potenza or even Chorus. And ironically, you could get Campy easier during the pandemic than anything Shimano....