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by gruez
1482 days ago
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>Yes, because carbon isn't priced into the economy, and corporations lobby to maintain that status quo. I don't disagree that corporations are blameworthy by lobbying against climate change legislation. That said, you're changing the topic here. The entirety of that sentence was about the "lack of climate-friendly options" and the comment I was replying to was talking about "a society where carbon emissions are unavoidable". >Moreover, consumers can't choose between "cheap" and "environmentally friendly" because corporations don't publish information about the carbon footprint of their products Is this really an issue? Just assume anything that doesn't have strongly worded environmental claims is not environmentally friendly. Given that a supermajority of consumers care about the environment (at least in the abstract), if a product is actually environmentally friendly, it's probably going to be predominantly labeled. |
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I don't see how I'm changing the topic. As you noted, the original topic was "corporations and institutions that created a society where carbon emissions are unavoidable and onto personal lifestyle choices". You seemed to be arguing that the landscape of goods and services is carbon intensive because consumers demand cheap products irrespective of climate concerns. I'm rebutting that with "consumers don't have the information to choose between climate and cost, they can only compare costs". Specifically, I noted (or rather implied) two ways to facilitate that information: require every product to publish information about its carbon footprint (with accountability mechanisms) or just price it into the cost of the item via carbon tax or similar.
> Is this really an issue? Just assume anything that doesn't have strongly worded environmental claims is not environmentally friendly. Given that a supermajority of consumers care about the environment (at least in the abstract), if a product is actually environmentally friendly, it's probably going to be predominantly labeled.
Yes, because "strongly worded environmental claims" is meaningless. There's no accountability that products making these claims outperform their competition at all, and even if they do outperform the competition, a consumer can't know by how much (am I paying 50% more for a product that emits half as much carbon, or only 1% less?). There's virtually no regulation here.