[Karellen]

> I literally set up these catch all employee tracking systems.

Does that bother you at all?

Not just about the employees you’re doing this to, but about being part of the system that normalises this kind of surveillance generally?

Is this really the kind of world you want to live in?

[gtvwill]

Nope. Look from a private perspective and up until a few years ago even from a business perspective (i was very idealistic when i started out) I am linux/foss/privacy advocate through and through.

But in the business realm, you have no privacy whilst your at work on work devices, the company owns that data not you. Want to send a message privately about something not work related. Fine, but use your own device. Man I spent like the first decade of my working career in all forms of laboring being exposed to OH&S violations of epic proportion which were unable to be prevented or retrospectively acted upon because no data was captured that proved it happened. Think stuff like bosses bi-passing fire suppression systems that prevented machine operation on drill rigs punching holes in ground littered with methane gas pockets just in order to keep the rig running at risk of all employees running it.

I'm sick of companies getting away with abuse of customers and employees. Most of this can be prevented or at least discouraged via tech based monitoring. If you want privacy.....keep it for your private life.

[zmmmmm]

> But in the business realm, you have no privacy whilst your at work on work devices, the company owns that data not you

This is really the problem in a nutshell.

Would you let the company install cameras in the bathroom to film you using the toilet? I am guessing probably not.

So why do you think you "have no privacy whilst at work". This is a fiction. Privacy is a human right if you're at work or not.

[Karellen]

> But in the business realm, you have no privacy whilst your at work on work devices,

Only because some people decided that should be so, and other people worked to ensure it happened. You state it like it's an immutable law of the universe, but it's a choice we collectively make, and a policy we enact. Or, a choice we passively allowed others to make for us, and a policy we allowed others to enact upon us.

[mise_en_place]

The great thing about capitalism and the free market is that you can choose not to enter into an agreement with a party if they run contrary to your ethics and morals.

[JaimeThompson]

This assumes you know that said party is doing such things, often one doesn't.

[jamiek88]

Yeah avoiding the only isp in my town ain’t happening.

How the free market will I get internet?

[_-david-_]

Some of the issues, depending on where you live, is that the government made agreements with ISPs to prevent competition in exchange for the ISPs paying for laying wires. If those agreements were not in place you might have additional choice.

[mise_en_place]

Starlink

[poleguards]

This is a fantasy version of capitalism that assumes perfectly symmetrical information. A huge percentage of the people being monitored have no clue it's going on.