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by u2077 1484 days ago
Forgot a part:

> And employees are opted in without any notice from their employer

[edit] Obviously professional communication channels are monitored, but it would still be nice to be informed when policies change. (Anyhow, personal and professional communications should always be kept separate to avoid this issue)

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There is no such thing as automatic opt-in.

That’s weasel talk. Opt in means you get to choose if you want it.

They’re turning it on by default and not telling people.

This is the most bullshit thing Microsoft has done in decades.

Well no shit, it's company email, there's no expectation of privacy or control here.
As far as I understand this is not just email, but teams conversations as well (though I'm not sure if it applies to both voice & text or just text, but be aware that Teams already has voice to text built right in!)

And also be aware that the 'watercooler' conversation has been replaced with digital forms over the last 2 years, meaning a look over your shoulder to see who's within earshot is no longer sufficient. And it's not always obvious that someone (or something, in this case) may be watching.

In the last 2 years most of my comms with my colleagues went from 90% face to face to 80% digital. Big difference. And it's not healthy either to not talk about frustrations at work.

The last place I worked for used this. I didn't care.

Now I'm in the position to make this call for my org and I wouldn't use it.

This is a tool for org admins, this isn't MS being evil. If your company uses it, be pissed at them if you so choose, not MS.

Yeah MS is just making and selling tools to make dystopian omnipresent AI surveillance easier and more likely, they're not actually forcing anyone to use them, so it's 100% ok and moral.
That's not what this is, stop being so dramatic.
That’s sort of what it’s like as the development of these tools is not cool.

It’s like people who write spam software who say “it’s really up to spammers who choose to use this software, don’t blame us.”

There’s really not a positive reason to identify “leavers.” Their data exfoliation reason is bogus and should be prevented by other reasons anyway.

It kinda is... "Dystopia as a service" :)
There is a reasonable expectation not to be targeted by adversarial AI though. This feature makes a terrible future. I will never recommend a client use MS email again.