[sammalloy]

> The comment you're replying to is not discrediting that. They are just saying that it needs to be more than just creating an emotional connection.

Specifically, the OP is saying that great art "has to advance language/thought/culture" in addition to having an emotional connection. The problem is that this is very much a rear-view mirror perspective.

Great art doesn’t have to do much of anything except connect the audience with the human experience and condition. And that’s fundamentally an emotional connection.

Advancing language, art, and culture is a meta-perspective about the significance of an artwork that comes much later. It is not a requirement of great art.

Great art is timeless because it connects us emotionally to the human condition—an unchanging experience through the centuries that reaches out beyond time and place.

And yet, while it is certainly true that some great art does "advance" aspects of our culture—Shakespeare is widely known to have contributed an enormous amount to the English language, for example—the greatness of Shakespeare doesn’t rest on this laurel, but rather its unchanging, persistent, emotional connection to the human condition across time.

In other words, great art taps into the timeless, eternal space of our shared lives that is always true, and that reaches out and touches upon everyone, everywhere, in every time. It is this universal appeal that makes it great.

The fact is, the human experience hasn’t really changed that much in the last 10,000 years, and great art taps into this unchanging set of idealized forms.

[qiskit]

> The problem is that this is very much a rear-view mirror perspective.

But analyzing art is a rear-view mirror perspective. History judges what is great art. Not the present audience.

You ramble about the same thing over and over again - human condition. Sure. That's a part of it. Silly pop music, formulaic romance novels, etc all have that. But what separates actual great art from entertaining art is it's affect on language/culture/thought/etc.

Whether marvel movies will be considered great art has nothing to do with "human condition" or how it emotionally affected the audience today. It'll be judged in time by its affect on language/culture/thought/etc. Any silly drone can create art that touches on the human condition. That's the easy part.

Shakespeare's hamlet, romeo and juliet, etc aren't considered great art because it "moves" you.

> and great art taps into this unchanging set of idealized forms.

No. Practically every art does.