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by jsnell 1477 days ago
One of the replies is a thread with a fairly convincing rebuttal, with examples:

https://twitter.com/Thomas_Woodside/status/15317102510150819...

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I'm not sure it's a convincing rebuttal, the examples shown all seem to have some visible commonality.

Eg. "Apoploe vesrreaitais" Could refer to something along the lines of a "fan / wedge" or "wing-like"

If you look at the examples of cheese, when compared to the "birds and cheese" the cheese tends to be laid out in a fan like pattern and shaped in sharp angled wedges.

Yeah, and his example about bugs in the kitchen. Everything is edible and 'wild' or 'heirloom' and "contarra ccetnxniams luryca tanniounons" comes from the farmers talking about ... vegetables. So there's a definite interrelationship between the 'words' and the images.

I'm unconvinced by the rebuttal as well, not to say I am convinced we have a fully formal language going on here, but there's definitely some shared concepts with the generated text.

I wonder what imagen would come up with or if it's 'language' is more correlated to real language.

His counterexamples also have a flaw. He's expecting that mixing two languages have a consistent result given the human language meaning. Those words might have meaning in the DALLE language that totally flips the meaning of the whole phrase. Each batch of images is internally consistent.
I'm curious what it generates when given randomly generated strings of seemingly pronounceable words like "Fedlope Dipeioreitcus".
It seems to refer to "bird plant" which means birds on trees, so it would make sense there would be cheese and plants if it can't find how to fit a bird.
> Apoploe vesrreaitais" Could refer to something along the lines of a "fan / wedge"

"feathered" maybe?

We don't know the rules or grammar of this "language". Maybe nouns change based on how they are used

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declension

I don't think this is sufficient.

A language should have syntax and meaning. We can see these phrases (tokens?) have meaning.

It is unclear what they syntax is. But DALL-E2's idea of what the syntax is for English isn't how most people understand it either (as can be seen by how many rephrasing attempts people make to get what they want).

It's entirely possible (probable?) there is syntax here but we don't know it yet.

A rebuttal to the rebuttal (without examples)...

How many French people speak Breton?