[stdbrouw]

To all those who have ever taken a look at Symfony: v1 was ugly but v2 is much more palatable to people with experience in Python/Ruby/Node, and the docs are pretty darn good, so have another look.

If I'd be forced to use PHP for my projects — which, luckily, I'm currently not — I'd pick Symfony2 over Yii, CodeIgniter and CakePHP any day.

[w33ble]

I'm curious; what is it about Symfony2 that makes you recommend it over CakePHP?

I really enjoy using CakePHP personally, and I found Symfony v1 a headache to start with and never really got off the ground with it. It's interesting to me that the CakePHP 2.0 release got no love while Symfony2 is front page material. Any insight here would be appreciated.

[eropple]

Quickly:

-CakePHP is atrociously slow, even when running with APC, and uses an alarming amount of memory for what you get. Symfony2 is neither slow nor particularly memory-hungry.

-CakePHP is inexpressive; it's very difficult to use it piecemeal. You either use the whole whomp of it or you don't use it at all. Symfony2 is modular and easily used for exactly what you need.

-CakePHP is stuck in the past; any framework that is intentionally made compatible with versions earlier than PHP 5.3 is short-changing its users by not taking advantage of exactly what the language is capable of doing.

It has no real redeeming features. (Note that I wouldn't recommend PHP in any greenfield development today, but if you have to do it, Symfony2, or at least the Silex core, are no-brainers.)

[Arcanum-XIII]

"Note that I wouldn't recommend PHP in any greenfield development today"

I'm curious, but what would you recommend ? I'm not cynic — but I work in a very small startup, doing mainly maintenance code in php and I've suffered my share of "use Drupal for x" when x is inappropriate inside Drupal, or any cms, and would have asked for a mostly custom backend designed from the ground up. So for these case I'm stuck — trying to do my best within the constrain I have. But for the occasion where I can do better, I'm curious about alternative !

[eropple]

I generally use Java and Scala for my own personal projects. Scala less than I'd like because there's no really good solution for web development aside from Lift (and Lift, while comprised of fantastic code, doesn't map well to my mental model of web development), but moving more and more towards it over time.

Some Python too, but that's more for one-offs.

[Aidan]

I used CakePHP exclusively for many years, wrote several popular articles and contributed several components. I stopped baking primarily because I grew tired and frustrated with the community more than anything else.

CakePHP is the only open source project I was involved with where the core developers mailing list was private, new major versions were developed in private repos, and inline documentation was banned (because "inline code comments often go out of date").

It's a critical realisation that often the health of a community is more important than the product itself.