[mhuffman]

>Not to be an ass, but playing with css and html isn't programming. At all. It's making web pages.

... except you can literally make desktop and mobile applications now by "playing with css and html"! ^electron -- shudder!^

Part of the reason for the JS mess (which people have been bitching about for years and years) is how easy it is to dip your toes into. Match that with how easy it is to create a "gui" now with HTML and CSS, stir in an endless bunch of half-baked support libraries built by people that just learned JS last month and you get the perpetual hell of the JS ecosystem.

And now that it has been adopted by startups and traditional companies, it is here to stay for a while.

Half of my development time when dealing with a new JS project is un-fucking some JS dependency that I never wanted that lives deep in the bowels of npm_modules.

[potta_coffee]

There's a whole lot more to Electron than HTML / CSS and getting started with it is honestly a huge PITA, in my opinion. This is coming from someone well versed in full stack web development who has delivered substantial projects.