[tragictrash]

They actually claim no IP logging by default, not that they don't log IPs at all. If you're worried about that, use tor.

If you're looking for a service that ignores law enforcement requests, I don't think proton is for you.

[blitzar]

If you're looking for a service that ignores law enforcement requests, I don't think services anywhere are for you.

[yabones]

Exactly. I don't know why people think that they can pay somebody to break the law on their behalf. There's no jurisdiction on the planet where privacy law is stronger than search warrants. Even selfhosting everything won't get you very far, as law enforcement can still just come into your house. Proton is simply a compromise that most users find acceptable.

[blitzar]

There is a large portion of the privacy community for whom services should take a bullet in the face before handing over the data they hold.

Its hard to take anyone who raises the "IP logging" seriously anyway - the situation is perfectly clear and rational and they are either shilling for some cause or just plain stupid. Proton is transparent, and people are free to read for themselves just how they operate. https://proton.me/news/transparency-report

Sometimes they dont even wait for the court order: In July 2017, we received a request for assistance from British police in the case of the kidnapping of Chloe Ayling. In light of the fact that we were able to verify that the kidnappers were, in fact, using a Proton Mail account, and the fact that the first 48 hours are the most critical in kidnapping cases, we rendered assistance to law enforcement before the signed order was delivered to us, but with the understanding that the court order was in the process of being sent.

Yet the commenters never complain about this or cases where a minor was at risk. They just claim there is a controversy because they turned on ip logging for one account at the behest of a court order.

To be honest Proton as a product I am not particularly drawn to - encrypting email takes two, and there are not many people who are equiped to recieve my secure emails!

[tragictrash]

Actually, every inbound email is encrypted at storage with your public key. Still can be ready on the way in, but once it's stored, it's encrypted. Much better than other providers imo.

[blitzar]

And all those emails are probably also sitting on google/microsoft server.

Electronic two party communication is inherently insecure - you can encrypt in transit, at rest, military grade, quantum proof - but if the other party gets to do whatever they want with it. Print it, forward it, save it etc.