[joshstrange]

You should never quit until you have another offer in hand.

> Reason that I did not get pay rise might be that I'm not afraid to criticize some stupid ideas, and I'm very offensive when it comes to handling projects (I lead, and I work hard). So I often have some silly(very short lived) conflicts with some of the engineers.

I'm all about pushing back on "stupid ideas" but you might want to think about coming up with a less abrasive way to do it. That won't win you any friends and could hinder your ability to get other jobs in the future "He was a hard worker but no one wanted to work with him". You can skate by for a while acting this way but it will come back to bite you. Working on your soft skills can be invaluable and let you go much further than you otherwise might.

But all that said, I'd look for a new job unless you want to try asking for a raise. Even if you get the raise, if it feels like pulling teeth, then start looking. Also don't work outside 9-5 hours unless you are compensated, companies will take advantage of that and not care if you burn out.

[nicoburns]

> You should never quit until you have another offer in hand.

Assuming you don't want some time out in between jobs of course.

[itake]

You can still quit and delay your start date. You can also request to go on unpaid time off. You don't need to disclose that your time off will be spent on interview prep :).

[joshstrange]

Of course! I just meant don't quit out of spite ever. It's always better to keep plodding along at your current job (income, health insurance, etc) until you find an alternative.

Whatever spike of adrenaline/endorphins you get in that moment will not be worth it in the long run.

[peteradio]

Thats been seriously untrue for myself. I found myself in a job that was a complete joke while also pounding me with off the wall expectations changing at every turn. How could you possibly plod through an environment like that while maintaining the energy to take on the second job of finding a job. I wouldn't say I quit out of spite, I quit out of severe disillusionment, so perhaps your advice is not qualified to apply in that case. But the general advice to quit a job when you have an offer in hand may be good for most but bad for some in particular circumstances. I would say don't dig yourself deeper into whatever hole you may find yourself, if that means you gotta stick out a job because you have no other runway well then do that. But taking time off from working for the economy doesn't mean its a net loss for yourself in the long run, it can free up resources to pursue more lucrative options, especially true when the knowledge worker is unyoked from all the cognitive demands of their day job.

Everyone, please fully qualify your advice.

[joshstrange]

> I just meant don't quit out of spite ever.

I don't think your situation is "spite", if you are stuck in a toxic environment that is doing more damage to you than the good (pay/insurance) then by all means quit. It's the "I'll show them!", "They can't handle this without me", twist of the knife that some people build up in their heads that I'm arguing against. In your case I'm guessing you didn't quit the same day you thought about quitting? It took a few days/weeks? I'm just trying to advise against acting hastily or in anger. Think it through and make sure you know the consequences before you do something that "feels good"/righteous.

[anon2020dot00]

Nicely articulated, I had quite the same experience as well.

People under-estimate the energy and effort to find a good second job and so actually best to take the time to get it right instead of jumping from one bad job to another just because of being afraid to quit while there is no job offer yet.

Also, logically thinking, every new graduate who is fresh out of school is just equipped with skills but is able to find a job so it should be even easier for someone who has already even further developed their skills to be able to find a second job even if they've already resigned from their previous job.

It seems like some people just think that they need some leverage of having an existing job in order to find a second job but in reality that doesn't make sense since skills are what is more important.

[jnwatson]

Another way to put it is “revenge is a dish best served cold”.

[cogman10]

Eh... Most companies are flexible on start dates. If you want to take some time off, just put that start date a month or two past your end date.

[corrral]

All bets are off if you have even minimal "fuck you" money, of course.

Most people don't, though. They can't go long without a job, and having a gap on their résumé is scary (for good reason—if you need a job, anything that might make getting the next one a little harder isn't good).

[nicoburns]

> having a gap on their résumé is scary

I always hear this, but nobody has ever questioned me when I said I took a few months just because I could and wanted some time off.

[corrral]

As a candidate just another question to worry about, even if it doesn't actually come up, and at best the result of it coming up is neutral, not positive for you. The more you need the job, the more stressful that sort of thing is.

[Verdex]

I would personally try to get the new job to delay my start date if the alternative was to hunt for a new job while having none.

[itake]

+1. There is a Venn diagram of your best interests and the company's best interests. These circles often overlap, but personally, I would prioritize my own career development over my own (potentially wrong) opinions about what projects I should work on.