[geodel]

They have this VMware Tanzu platform which is like Red Hat Openshift. A heavily customized application packaging , deployment management solution on top of Kubernetes. It can be deployed on any cloud and on-prem DCs. So kinda multi cloud bet. They are selling it in a big way.

[awill]

What does "They are selling it in a big way" mean? I've never heard of it, and neither have any of the software engineers who are next to me at the office. RedHat OpenShift also bombed. They had a great start 11 years ago, but then didn't innovate, and worse, released a 2.0 that wasn't backward compatible. They used the 2.0 release as an excuse to kick off all free plans. What a joke. There's a reason Red Hat isn't a leader in Cloud.

[parasubvert]

They also released a 3.0 and 4.0 of OpenShift that weren't backwards compatible :-)

Yet OpenShift is making bank. You'd be surprised how much money they make on AWS, Azure, and Google.

[emptysongglass]

OpenShift is fantastic and I wouldn't hesitate to recommend it to any medium sized startup and up. I run it in my closet. Most medium sized startups end up building out an OpenShift-like K8s but they use 6 months to a year plus to do it.

Upgrades within major versions are totally painless, one-click affairs.

[RajT88]

I have customers running Tanzu.

It is slick, but niche. Incredibly rock solid - in ways K8S is not - and you pay for it.

It is on its way out as a product.

[nunez]

Tanzu is a loaded term :) Are you talking about TAS (ex PCF) or TKG?

[RajT88]

PCF

[nunez]

i wouldn't say it's on its way out. it's still in active development and very much supported

[bogomipz]

Why is it on its way out as a product? Is it simply not making money?

[RajT88]

The scuttlebutt I hear is Kubernetes is stealing its lunch money.

Again, referring to what used to be PCF. Hence why the more modern Tanzu is K8s based.

[parasubvert]

PCF is still making bank but the industry has rallied around K8s. So growth has stalled but it has a happy customer base.

Unfortunately there’s no real equivalent (OpenShift is not really “it”) on K8s unless you’re assembling several products together with a lot of glue. Which is what everyone does, with varying quality.

[awild]

They also offer tanzu as on prem cluster where you can somehow use kubernetes to provision kubernetes virtualised kubernetes clusters.

[larntz]

It uses cluster-api to provision clusters. It's very cool and isn't a VMware thing. It's open source, and you can easily run it on regular k8s clusters.

https://cluster-api.sigs.k8s.io/

[bogomipz]

Well, Cluster API depends on underlying providers and the VMWare provider is definitely a VMWare thing as it's maintained by them:

https://github.com/kubernetes-sigs/cluster-api-provider-vsph...

[vkat]

Yes it is a community project but VMware engineers play a big part in maintaining as it is foundational to the kubernetes product that VMware sells. Open source does not mean it runs by itself.