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by trasz 1488 days ago
If you look at the context, it's obvious that this thread is about disproving the claim that in the West the pressure from the society on the government works better than in China, and not about "making it sound like China is actually ok".

So, in USA there are literally entire law chapters designed to eliminate specific racial group (and hippies, that's what delegalisation of drugs was about). Yet you don't consider this a genocide. Ever wondered why?
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glenstein 1488 days ago
>and not about "making it sound like China is actually ok".

So can we set the other argument aside just for a moment and get clarity on whether you think people in this thread are right to express concern re Xinjiang? That would disabuse everyone reading your comments of the concern that you're just purposely derailing them, and should be easy to clarify. We can have both discussions, without using one to shut down the other, and surely you want that. Right?

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trasz 1487 days ago
Of course they are right to express concern - but if they do that while simultaneously maintaining that their country is doing fundamentally better because it's USA, which from my experience describes the most vocal group and which can be seen in this very subthread ("that's classic whataboutism, and it uses an inch of U.S. abuses to sweep away a mile of abuses by China"), then there is something fundamentally wrong with their beliefs - or their motivations.
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watwut 1488 days ago
> So, in USA there are literally entire law chapters designed to eliminate specific racial group (and hippies, that's what delegalisation of drugs was about). Yet you don't consider this a genocide. Ever wondered why?

Yeah, because if there was bad-faith definition of genocide or bad faith argument, this is the one.

But, given that article is about genocide performed by China, lets focus on that, shall we? Surely Chinese victims deserve some attention, surely we don't need to make USA center of everything. I dont know whether this is "I am American and cant handle when they talk about somebody else" issue or "I am Chinese and cant handle my country is seen as bad here" issue, but it is absurd regardless.

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trasz 1487 days ago
>Yeah, because if there was bad-faith definition of genocide or bad faith argument, this is the one.

Not sure if you've noticed, but Zenz inferred genocide from improving contraceptives usage statistics. Double standards much?

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