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by ppaattrriicckk 1487 days ago
I remember having one of those free websites together with a mate from school (webbyen.dk, was the thing in Denmark). We'd write our own review of games, half-conscious that nobody would ever read our reviews. But for Morrowind, I was so... crazed out from pure anticipation, that I wrote a review before having the game in my hands.

The game more than delivered on my expectations. The music still soothes me to a large degree, and the world (glass and daedric armour or houses made from giant mushrooms) was so absolutely fantastic to me.

I've always wanted to experience the exact same thing, but with present (or future) graphics. I've tried installing the various mods and rebuilds, but it never was that great an experience.

Recently I bought Elder Scrolls Online (ESO) while it was on sale, and while I think the game itself is quite boring and constantly nudging you to subscribe, I was blown away by exploring Vvardenfell. In my opinion it really captures the same mood and it's... Just. So. Beautiful!

Not quite RDR2 graphics, but it really hit a soft spot for me, seeing Seyda Neen "remastered". I can highly recommend spending the dollars/euros, simply for that dose of nostalgia :-) or simply an image search to see some of the good old scenes with modern day graphics

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I know this doesn't add much, but a small addition: The whole concept of the lost Dwemer civilization is an entire layer of depth to the fantastic world. A world which IMO is unparalleled
Have you played Elden Ring? That has brought me the same wonder Morrowind brought me decades prior.
Elden Ring is a marvel but its not same to me. Morrowind is not typical fantasy so the alien world of mushroom houses and silt striders takes it to the next level. Skyrim and Oblivion were less interesting to me as it was standard high fantasy setting.
I feel exactly the same. I had never played a game before that felt so free. I spent so much time just discovering the world, what you could do. The magic system that invited you to break the game mechanics - at a cost. I love how playful it was, with items like the boots of blinding speed.

I don't know if any game can quite capture what I loved about Morrowind, but you might also like Outward, or Kenshi, if you'd like a similar feeling of discovering and surviving in a strange world that wasn't designed around you.

Would highly recommend Kenshi, it is very different from Morrowind, very weird, and very janky, but completely unique in its setting and gameplay. I am eagerly awaiting the sequel, which is in development.
You capture what I failed to articulate. I feel exactly that way about Oblivion and Skyrim
Games just felt so much more intelligent back then. Morrowind really went off the deep end.
I really don't get this recommendation.

Elden Ring is a good but drastically differently designed game. It is very unlike The Elder Scrolls by all accounts. Well, all they share in common is basic RPG elements, but that's about it.

First and foremost, there's barely anything to interact with except for attacking things. Morrowind would be a boring disaster of a game if it'd be just the never-ending flocks of Cliff Racers to cut through between a few cutscenes where the key plot points are explained.

Elden Ring has extremely limited non-hostile NPCs. They're essentially static fixtures, best they can do is switch between a few cyclic animations (like those merchants). I felt genuinely disappointed by how they had to cheat around this limitation to make Millicent just stand. But okay, I get it, no one's gonna fall at me from the sky, fine. Still, the quality of NPCs is subpar. Dialogues are so scarce and limited, they make Mass Effect's chatwheel feel as if Commander Shepard is a master orator.

Then, some reviewers brag about the lore and I found it extremely shallow, just the basic worldbuilding. There are like about 50 characters and their stories, plus some fairly weakly explained core concepts about the world order - but not much else. Elden Ring's world has no casual history, it's not a world where anyone had ever lived despite the prologue bragging otherwise. Over the half of ruins are just some meaningless assets - either just some walls or some constructs with faux doors and windows, an attempt to make it look like it is some post-apocalyptic world in shambles, but you need to exercise a fairly strong suspension of disbelief to make it feel so. Shacks and towers make it a bit more believable, but they're just... locations where someone had possible lived. Absolute best you'd get is some tools of the past occupant, and that's an exception, not a rule. Even the large and architecturally well-designed areas (so-called legacy dungeons) don't tell their stories - e.g. the Stormveil Castle is huge, but it barely has any history - just a gallery of untold potential stories, missed opportunities. It's a stark contrast from, let's say, ELEX or Horizon or Fallout, where every other building you can walk in (and you can walk into most of them) has some casual story to it, traces and echoes of the people who had lived there before the catastrophe, told either in notes or environmental cues.

Maybe this is misdirected critique - I get it, game designers might have wanted an alien world (not too alien though, just some medieval fantasy, still closely tied to human cultures), gnostic, unexplained and mystical, where most things just are and logic may not even apply. Symbols and decorations instead of writing and narration, inverbal cues opposed to verbal ones. But that's how exactly it's very unlike TES (which has both!) and why I don't think it's a good recommendation.

And there are games with alien worlds that also prioritize form, style and artistry over actual meaning, yet they don't give up on the meaning but make player assimilate it. Discarding an opportunity to enrich the lore by talking about it is just... weird. Like author is trying to cover up that all that lore is shallow and they haven't really thought it up beyond the surface. Just compare the lengths Disco Elysium's writers explore their anthropic-but-alien world - such as concept of The Pale (sure, that's a very different kind of a game). Pardon the pun but all that Greater Will stuff just pales in comparison. And there's also an example of Pathologic, or if you're up for an extreme weirdness - Vangers (a Jabberwocky of video games).

And lastly, people praise Elden Ring (and Souls-like) for having an open world without auto-leveling, so the content is "gated" by your skill (or level). But that was basically the norm for a long while, in a lot of games. Remember Gothic - it had all of that, but was on entirely another level of game design, despite being over 20 years old. I'm really, really looking for the upcoming remaster.

So, comparing various aspects of Elden Ring to various games that have similar aspects I can say it's definitely not a masterpiece. Just an above-average game - well, it surely got some love and even though neither aspect is stellar they're not awfully poor either (I just don't want to search for negative examples how bad things can be, hah). Except maybe for combat. Though idk what someone with extensive arcade fighting game experience would say - I'm really not an expert on those, so I'd leave this aspect unexplored.

Pardon my rant. I'm just disappointed in Elden Ring because it was not what I hoped it would be, misguided by all the hype (marketing). I'm really trying to squeeze out most of its worldbuilding, story and quests - the very stuff I've so highly praised games like Morrowind for - but constantly getting disappointed. I can guarantee it - it's not about that.

Your reasoning may be valid, but I second OP that Elden Ring is the first game in decades that gave me the same sense of wonder and awe that Morrowind once did. (Albeit, perhaps, for different reasons.)
It has fantastic worldbuilding, and parts of it feel alien, but it is much less fleshed-out.

Part of the appeal of From Software's games is their coyness. Very little is explained, and players need to piece the story together from scattered scraps of information.

Morrowind is a comparative firehouse of information. There is much more (mostly silent) dialogue, and there are a lot of books:

https://www.imperial-library.info/books/morrowind/by-categor...

tl;dr: Not enough reading.

There is a fairly legit sounding project remaking morrowind on the newer engine but who knows if it will ever be completed
morroblivion is done but skywind is still in progress.

https://morroblivion.com/

https://tesrskywind.com/

No shit? I had no idea morroblivion was done. Will need to check that out. Skywind I have been following as well