[solso]

This is Josep M. Pujol from Brave Search.

I'd like to correct some factually incorrect information regarding Brave Search.

Brave search crawls the web through the Web Discovery Project and has its own crawler, which fetches a bit more than 100M pages daily.

Brave search uses Bing API and Google fallback for about 8% of the results shown to the users, the remaining 92% are served from our own index, when we launched almost 1 year ago the number of results from 3rd parties was 13%.

There is no need to mention "multiple source" when a number can be given. The underlying theme here is not if DDG provides no value on top of Bing, it does, no one is questioning that. The question is whether DDG would be able to operate if Bing were to shut DDG down tomorrow.

If Bing and Google were to disappear tomorrow, for whatever reason, Brave search would continue to operate, that's the independence Brave search is building.

[maverick74]

Brave indeed brings high hopes in this field!!!

I was just hopping that, since it was based upon tailcat, it would create a bigger disruption by being opensource like Gigablast.

(However, i understand that, from a financial point of view, that's a risky move. But like DDG... i hope that maybe someday it will be)

[ziddoap]

What factually incorrect information was posted? Maybe I missed it.

Yegg said "they all rely _somewhat_ on either Google's or Bing's web crawling" and you confirmed it by saying "Brave search uses Bing API and Google fallback for about 8%". So... which part is factually incorrect?

Edit: Misread the second part, removed that portion of my statement.

[thewebcount]

> The question is whether DDG would be able to operate if Bing were to shut DDG down tomorrow.

No, that doesn't appear to be the question at all. The original post appears to be an attempt to smear DDG by posting misleading information that you know will confuse users into thinking that their search engine sends PII to Microsoft when you know it doesn't. The original tweet doesn't appear to mention Bing shutting down at all. Here's the entirety of the tweet:

"This is shocking. DuckDuckGo has a search deal with Microsoft which prevents them from blocking MS trackers. And they can't talk about it! This is why privacy products that are beholden to giant corporations can never deliver true privacy; the business model just doesn't work."

I see nothing in there questioning whether DuckDuckGo will still be around if Bing goes under. I also see nothing in yegg's response above that has anything to do with this irrelevant question you mention.

[solso]

There is plenty of comments discussing on the provenance of DDG results, including from Gabriel himself, which is the one we both have participated in,

"it is misleading to say our results just come from Bing."

Discussing how many sources can one bring together it's a distraction to not discuss the degree of dependency between DDG and Bing. More-so when claiming that others suffer from the same, which is factually incorrect for Brave search.