[Simon_O_Rourke]

That sort of thinking directly brought about WW1 as well as the Cuban missile crisis.

If everyone was armed then society's short-fused lunatics are the ones most likely to misjudge a situation and start shooting first over something trivial.

Goes a long way to explaining most shootings by the police too.

[therealjumbo]

CCW is very common in the US now, CCW holders are less likely to commit crimes than police officers. In general CCW or constitutional carry states don't see big wild west shoutouts at grocery stores so no. People are generally good and honest. Criminals are the exception to that, except they don't really care about whether or not carrying a weapon is illegal.

[nadavwr]

A quick google search brought up a statistic from Pittsburgh 2008 where roughly 1/5 of perpetrators were the legal owners of the gun used in a crime.

Gun crimes are so much more prevalent in the US vs practically any other developed country. Usually by leaps and bounds. Australia used to have around 20% of US gun death rate for years. In 1996 they introduced strict gun control laws. Decline in gun deaths was gradual, but over some 15 years they went down by some 70%.

Gun control can work.

[Glyptodon]

Legal owner is not the same thing as CC permit holder, and CC permit holders to seem to be safer than other gun owning or carrying categories and rarely involved in altercations or crimes.

Australia is a highly ambiguous example of gun control success for numerous reasons.

It's also worth noting that the funding and law enforcement capacity to disarm the US were stringent gun control legal is borderline impossible, if not just impossible, from a purely mathematical perspective when compared to things the like the war on drugs and considering the sheer number of guns owned.

[yucky]

>In 1996 they introduced strict gun control laws. Decline in gun deaths was gradual, but over some 15 years they went down by some 70%.

Gun deaths worldwide fell precipitously during that same time frame, including in the US. 1994 was the peak of gun violence, and fell almost every years since then until the BLM riots and the ACAB crowd scared cops out of doing their job.

[stevenicr]

correlation does not equal causation. Economy, pop culture, social safety nets, offline-social networks, and so many other things are factors in all this.

the 90's were not the same at 2009 and not the same as 2021 by many means.

I just searched : https://www.startpage.com/do/dsearch?query=Pittsburgh+2008+w... - and even the left wing news is saying that gun rights folks are accurate in that most gun crime is committed by non-legal-firearms owners, like 8 out of 10.

It's a weird stat to consider anyhow. In my experiences, many crimes are not officially reported, and many are not reported completely - so all that is screwed anyhow. There is no way to know how many crimes are committed in each city with illegal gun possessors.

[jka]

That may be true, although it doesn't really address the parent commentor's line of argument: in environments where few (if any) people are allowed to have guns, concealed carry isn't necessary, and gun crime is rare.

[therealjumbo]

His argument was that a lot of people being armed leads to regular standoffs. CCW being very common and leading to almost no standoffs over stupid arguments absolutely does address it. I'm ignoring comparing individuals to nation states, which is just silly.

[CalChris]

Are they less likely than non-CCW permit holders?

[JKCalhoun]

Reading a lot lately about "criminals" then brandishing during road rage incidents.

[Arubis]

> CCW holders are less likely to commit crimes than police officers.

What’s “commit” here? Accusation, conviction, something else?