[v-erne]

>> potential manifestation of all your dreams and hopes that you can't or won't accomplish

And this is how You get tiger moms ladies and gentlemen (only half joking - Your child is first and foremost independent human and not extension of yourself).

>> You understand them and they understand you like no one else does.

I think I have never seen this in my life - where do You think generational conflicts comes from?

[uwagar]

i'm with u bro. these dads seem to live in some cuckooland. wait till the kid asks them to fuck off and let them live their life their way.