[samstave]

>Since Woz loves him, I think this resolves the matter

No it does not.

That is NOT what I am arguing - you are putting emotion into a technical claim.

Apple's products are amazing - but to say that Jobs was anything less than SHREWD is just naive.

EDIT:

I DO NOT DISLIKE Jobs.

I am making the point that he was an amazing shrewd businessman - I am not calling him dishonest - I AM calling his tactic exploitative.

Good luck saying they are not. Quality and Success are NOT an issue I am discussing.