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by FpUser 1494 days ago
>"I‘d rather die trying, than live in a non-free world."

Well many people went to Ukraine to fight on their side. If that is what you do why would anyone bother "changing your stance". Just go and do it.

But if you expect other people to perish in WWIII for the sake your stance they might hold a different opinion about that part.
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ImPostingOnHN 1494 days ago
those other people choose to, as they would rather vaporize than give an inch of their land to russia

if you expect them to surrender or accept less, well, you'll have to make your case to them

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FpUser 1494 days ago
>"those other people choose to, as they would rather vaporize than give an inch of their land to russia"

If that was the case we would have active war in Crimea in 2014.

>"if you expect them to surrender or accept less, well, you'll have to make your case to them"

Why would I make any case? I do not expect anything. It is their choice. Also I do not think the talking was about Ukraine in particular. The statement was generic.

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geoka9 1494 days ago
> If that was the case we would have active war in Crimea in 2014.

Nobody believed it was happening, i.e. Ukrainians never expected having to fight Russians. Now it's completely different; Ukraine has been preparing for an escalation of the war for 8 years.

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FpUser 1494 days ago
>"as they would rather vaporize than give an inch of their land to russia"

That was the statement. I replied to. By taking Crimea Putin had taken a great deal more than "an inch"

>"Nobody believed it was happening,"

Nobody believed the Crimea was taken?

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geoka9 1494 days ago
> Nobody believed the Crimea was taken?

Nobody in Crimea believed it was being taken, until it was. By that time, the Ukranian government was beheaded, whatever left of the army was demoralized. There was literally a few thousand dollars in the state's coffers. Insurgency in the east was ramping up; a few volunteer battalions were formed overnight, financed by neighborhood donations, and sent off to fight the (covert) invasion in the east. It's actually a miracle Ukraine survived in 2014, so fighting the Russian regular army (with a big Naval base) in Crimea was not on top of the list.

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FpUser 1494 days ago
It's been 8 years since and no fight for Crimea. This still contradicts the original statement: "as they would rather vaporize than give an inch of their land to russia".

And I am far from blaming Ukrainians. Their government luckily had enough brain cells and had voted not to attack what Russia considers their territory and not to vaporize their nation for the sake of some hot heads's stance.

Had they decided to do so on their own before Russia's invasion then there would be no support from the West. The chance of them succeeding militarily in Crimea in that case I think would have been big fat zero.

So no, in general I do not think want people to get vaporized en masse just because somebody believes they should.

Also we might just have a case of keyboard warriors here. It is easy to be brave / stupid sitting in a safe place in front of computer screen.

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