[hackererror404]

He had a history, he threatened a school but nothing was done. Seems like they are trying to point fingers when really we have a serious issue with treating mental illness and mental health. No one wishes to address the elephant in the room.

[tomrod]

Mentally fit people also commit hate crimes and participate in white supremacy. Jumping to this betrays unwillingness to deal with three issues:

[1] Mental illness != immediate danger to people's lives

[2] Easy access to guns and ammo lowers the cost to perform mass shootings. Incendiary devices require special knowledge, knives make people's arms tired before "mass stabbing" threshold is reached, automobiles are typically blocked from driving into a store without damaging the vehicle before mass killing is achieved

[3] White supremacy is thriving in certain corners of the internet. Discontent in the marketplace of ideas because only losers adopt it, it lives in protected corners.

I consider your jumping to mental illness as a cause instead of a correlated factor as misguided given the three bullets above.

[towaway15463]

Point #2 is bullshit, there have been many mass stabbing events. Knife crime in general is also a problem. Same thing with vehicular killings. There are a number of high profile cases that have been in the news.

[tomrod]

Point #2 you _consider_ bullshit, but are mistaken. It is a lot easier to pull a trigger than to stab. Murder still occurs, but at a much lower count per incident. The causal model holds: if you want lower mass shootings, restrict access to guns and ammo.

These are high profile because they are rare to accomplish relative to mass shootings.

[JshWright]

The Buffalo shooter himself explicitly called out in his manifesto how much easier this act was to carry out due to his access to semiautomatic firearms.

[JshWright]

You're just pointing fingers in a different direction. As it turns out, this is a complicated issue, with multiple contributing factors, and just because we're talking about one doesn't mean another factor isn't important (though in this case there isn't any indication of serious mental illness, and that is a very common scapegoat in situations like this)

[rpastuszak]

"we must protect the children!"

So let's focus on fighting privacy and encryption, and forget about gun access/fetishism for a moment.

PS I agree with tour point 100%, just wanted to add another one to the list

PPS Discord doesn't support e2ee, so it's not like we could've avoided this issue with banning it in the first place.

[throwaway0a5e]

I think his point is that the guy was already on the cop's radar as potentially being up to no good yet nothing was done. Law enforcement dropping the ball seems like a common fact pattern in these kinds of things. I get that you can't just imprison or otherwise institutionalize people without some offense being committed but there's got to be a better way than just ignoring it until they go postal.

[lancesells]

I have no answer for any of this but there's ~700k police in the US and a population of ~333M. 7 police for every 3330 citizens or 1 for every 475.