[alkonaut]

My motto is: I don't want to work on a CRUD app. I want computer science to actually be part of what I do. Not parsing and validation and deployments and migrations.

But finding these jobs where actual "what you do with the data" is the majority work, and the fluff around it is a minority, is HARD and such jobs seem to be more far between. Perhaps because the software jobs that used to be difficult algorithmic problems are now so specialised (Data scientist, Game engines, AI, ...). And that's a bit sad. For those of us who get a kick out of not making a Todo app in an ever cooler JS framework but instead like to write the synth/raytracer/fluid sim/game/, the job market has become pretty boring. Luckily I have a job that ticks the boxes, but it's hard to find another.

[rhodysurf]

I am the same way. This is where smaller companies thrive because you get exposure to more of the stack. Just have to find the right domains with interesting problems. For me that’s building analytics and visualization tools for scientific and engineering modeling data

[PeterisP]

IMHO those jobs are exceedingly rare, because all the roles with difficult algorithmic problems seem to have the grind around them as the majority of work that needs to be done. You mention data science, well, if you're doing serious data analytics two thirds or more of your time is converting data from one form to another and handling its flow; if you're doing cutting edge AI research, most of your time is devoted to 'plumbing' required to run these experiments, and only a minority to the algorithms you're researching. The same is pretty much everywhere, so if you find a job where that does not apply, that's quite exceptional.

[dominotw]

agree with this 100%. I am considering going into management purely because i cannot get myself to write another screen to db crud app. Just the thought makes me depressed.

[ransom1538]

There are tons ways to escape: security, sre, engineering sales, etc etc.

[redisman]

These are just as tedious as web programming. SRE even worse. Security might have a few research roles if you’re really lucky but most are boring jobs where you nag people to do things they don’t care about

[alkonaut]

I'd put those in the bin with "Stuff that just goes on around what programs do but doesn't actually relate to what they do".

[catmanjan]

Those are all just CRUD with a different title

[Loocid]

How are any of those CRUD with a different title?