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by throw1234651234 1499 days ago
This is comical. Your company needs 3,000 deploys a month? You deliver 3,000 features a month? Your BAs/PMs identify 3,000 useful features a month? This isn't trolling - this is a call out of the absurdity you are presenting as a positive.
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Why would a deploy need to be a feature or something that PMs identify?

On a high-functioning team, you should have enough logging and monitoring that developers can identify many useful changes without PM involvement.

A deploy could be something as minor as "I noticed an error getting logged in production, here's a one-line change to fix it" or "This operation is running slowly, here's a tweak to the query so that it hits an index".

I didn't consider bugs / performance enhancements.
Hmm, there were some absurdities when I was on the team, but I wouldn't have identified that as one of them. I'd characterise the service count as possibly slightly overboard, but not the deploy count: making changes super-incrementally was absolutely a positive thing compared with other places I've worked, although it would never work without an almost-zero-friction deployment process.

Done right, it avoids bugs - especially complex hard-to-roll-back state-related bugs - that can arise from discrete waterfall-style releases of big and complex features all at once.

Your comment seems to be making a hell of a lot of assumptions and associations which seem very specific to the environment you work in[0], but stated as though you think the entire world must be working in the same way. It feels a bit like a child insisting that they don't speak with an accent.

[0] "One deploy is one feature", "every company has 'BA's and 'PM's" [we had the latter but I'm scare-quoting both because they are far from universal], "each feature has to be 'identified' by said BA or PM", etc. Also, this seems to be written not only from a staid perspective but from a small-co perspective; for large companies, even 3000 features is not a huge number, and wouldn't be more than maybe 5 or 10 per team.

See comment on bugs. Our releases are "frictionless" too, but yes, I am hard-pressed to even imagine 3000 improvements a month to any major brand that comes to top of mind.
Bugs? Roll back. Bugs are generally proportional to LOC, not number of deploys - given that's a DevOps variable and not a programming one – so the only relevant difference I can imagine is less chance of a multi-bug, multi-factorial, multi-dependent, nightmarish-to-fix incident.
Depends on the perspective. Adding one data field to a Kafka record, or Protobuf message, or Bigtable cell, or Postgres table is already an improvement.

There is already so much work to do consuming data from A, transforming it, and storing it into B.

I work on a project with micro-services. Just looked into our repository: we merged around 1,100 pull requests in the last 30 days. That's a least this number of re-deployed services to our development cluster with a release train to staging and production clusters.

I'm not sure how many "feature" or stories that is. Maybe we need two to four pull requests per story.

I think the idea is more about "avoid bundled changes that are harder to debug and roll back". A change doesn't have to be a new feature, might be a bug or typo fix.