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by nautilius 1490 days ago
OP very clearly writes that they "don't think it's transphobic to push back on trans activists" who, unlike him, "demand the world accommodate".

Again, the only 'accommodation' that is asked is to just let them live. Seems like not a hard thing to do, and not something one would have to go out of their way of to 'push back against'.

If you don't like the thought of buttfucking, don't. If you don't like the thought of people who identify differently from their biological sex, don't. If you don't like the thought of eating kale, don't. It's simple, it costs you nothing. Nothing at all.
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PolygonSheep 1489 days ago
> Again, the only 'accommodation' that is asked is to just let them live. Seems like not a hard thing to do, and not something one would have to go out of their way of to 'push back against'.

But OP is letting them live. Unless you are alleging OP is running around killing trans people??

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nautilius 1489 days ago
OP is making no statement about what they do, only that they find it reasonable to push back against that simple wish of the trans community.
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h3cate 1489 days ago
Your comment, like speech in general I admit, doesn't tell the whole truth.

"Again, the only 'accommodation' that is asked is to just let them live."

This isn't true as they are asking that comedians to not make jokes about them. Dave Chapelle nor any comedian that I know of go around saying trans people should not be allowed to live. Or have I missed something?

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nautilius 1489 days ago
Shifting goalposts, are we, after your 'clearly' comment did not even contain a grain of truth about what OP posted?

And yes, you are missing something. Go ahead and watch Chapelle. The issue isn't that he makes a joke about trans people. Sure, I'd assume people in general may not like having jokes made at their expense, but that's not the issue. The issue is that Chapelle dedicates a whole special to argue that their cause isn't worthy to be supported. As much as I like Chapelle and his amazing ability to do hour-long stand-ups where he doesn't even tell jokes and yet you're mesmerized, I'll have to side with the 'punching down' argument. This campaign of his will not age well.

I understand his frustration, and, in his words, jealousy, to see how far LGBTQ+ rights have come compared to the much older issue of Black rights, but that's a really poor justification to rant against the former.

Just imagine that same setup to watch someone rant for an hour against women suffrage, or gay or Black rights, etc. Sure, some will like this.

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h3cate 1485 days ago
Ricky Gervais does a whole special taking the mick out of Christianity. Do you also think he shouldn't be allowed to do that?

Or is it only trans people you don't think people should be able to joke about?

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spenkishne 1488 days ago
> The issue is that Chapelle dedicates a whole special to argue that their cause isn't worthy to be supported.

Why is that an issue?

Their cause is to enact a redefinition of "woman" and "man" (and in some contexts, "female" and "male") in terms of so-called gender identity, rather than sex.

This is a sweeping, fundamental change to how most people understand those terms, and there is growing evidence of some very negative outcomes of doing so.

Of course there will be pushback on this. And it's not a bad thing to do so.

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