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by ethor 1496 days ago
Most of your suggestions would cause other problems. The root of the current situation is seemingly a lack of supply which in turn is mostly due to government regulations.

For instance, here in Sweden, it's very bizarre since we very much don't lack land suitable for new homes. Nimby regulations together with construction laws have however created a situation where prices for new homes have skyrocketed. Demand is overshooting supply by a lot (for the last decades), when there is nothing but government regulations keeping the market from beeing able to supply this demand.

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If we're going to look at supply-demand, we can't just say "just add more supply" without knowing where the demand comes from. If we add supply of houses and it gets eaten up by demand from people that want them not to live but to hoard them as financial instruments, we're not solving anything.
An increase in supply of housing would also dampen the demand for renting, thus decreasing the willingness of speculators to buy new rental units.
This does nothing to dampen the hoarding of homes for investors that are looking for a place to park their cash due to low returns/high risk from other asset classes.

Generally, it is looking like housing being an investment by corporations and foreign interests is having a negative impact on the population that actually lives where the homes are located.

Only if those houses are affordable for the people that are demanding renting. And if rent prices are high, people can't save and can't buy anything.
> If we add supply of houses and it gets eaten up by demand from people that want them not

Wouldn’t the demand still exist allowing for more supply to be filled by those still wanting a house ?

The place that has solved the housing market is Vienna, in Austria. IMO they are the guys to imitate.

It seems bonkers to me that the so-called social states of the EU are letting this issue destroy young generations so hard. In Spain this problem is particularly hard, as income & savings are on a clear decline since 08, yet no one does anything.

And I mean, they are doing dog shit. Entire generations of spaniards are bleeding poor because they have to allocate >60% of their meager income to housing. All this money gets funneled:

a) To boomers. The ones who where there to buy when it was cheap.

b) To public employees. The only large group of people in Spain with decent enough income to still be buying.

c) To companies. Since 08 more and more companies are pouring their money in the market since boomers are a naturally decaying demand force, and workers from private sector are so deprived of savings and pretty much dissapearing from demand.

More and more Spaniards are giving up their inheritances because they have no income or savings to meet the burdens and taxes.

These assets end up in bank or state auctions, and those who already have capital go to the auctions and get batches of assets.

In general, a gigantic transfer of wealth from private sector workers to the groups described above is taking place in Spain.

The public debate is focusing on stupid things and/or things that we know do not work, such as limiting rents, or the problem of empty houses (empty houses are needed for a functional market, and good luck defining what an empty house is).

Meanwhile, housing demand clearly outstrips supply. And it's not just about Madrid or Barcelona, it's happening in medium sized cities too, so even if you want to escape you can't! The city councils control what land can be built on, and who gets licenses. Public housing developments are a bad joke, and private initiative is clearly not doing its job.

It is a situation that is going to explode, and despite the fact that some of us spend time warning in every possible way, it seems that nobody pays attention.

And to this must be added the fact that many Europeans with remote jobs are moving to Spain because for their level of income and savings the prices in Spain make sense, putting pressure on sale and rental prices.

This is an incipient phenomenon, but the climate, a high level of services and quality of life invite to think that it can become a serious problem (there are already cities banning vacation rentals, outright).

It seems that social housing is a big feature of Vienna's housing policy https://www.huduser.gov/portal/pdredge/pdr_edge_featd_articl...

In the UK previous governments allowed social housing tenants to buy, then sell housing on. In retrospect I think all this showed was it took one generation to break the social contract for future generations.