[lesstenseflow]

You're assuming male prisoners have a "right" to be housed with female prisoners, and that female prisoners have no right to sex-segregated facilities. Whether the former "right" exists is far from a settled question.

Assuming the former right does exist, then there is a conflict of rights (between the wishes of males who want to be housed with females, and females who want to be housed without males). Rights conflicts like this are not solved by simply telling one group (in this case, women) to shut up and stop complaining.

Where the ACLU comes in here I have no idea.

[pessimizer]

> Rights conflicts like this are not solved by simply telling one group (in this case, women) to shut up and stop complaining.

I'm pretty sure that's how conflicts with women have been historically resolved.

[PuppyTailWags]

Caveat: We don't actually sex-segregate prisons. We segregate based off of primary and secondary sex characteristics.

[lesstenseflow]

This is nonsense that serves only to obfuscate. Normally this sort of stuff is put forward by people trying to confuse and befuddle the reader.

We segregate prisons by sex. Primary and secondary sex characteristics are observable characteristics that indicate one's sex.

Your argument is like saying "You don't buy a Mazda. You go to the Mazda dealership and buy a car that says Mazda on the back, interior, and on the manual. You don't actually know the car is a Mazda."

[PuppyTailWags]

No, my argument is people mistake a used car lot for a licensed dealership. Just because the salesman says its a Mazda and it has a little logo in the front doesn't tell you much about its history, modifications, etc. Intersex people are in fact pretty common, so much so that there are more intersex olympic athletes than there are trans ones.

[tsimionescu]

Using "males" and "females" here is irrelevant and actively seeking to confuse.

People typically consider that women (cis or trans) have a right to be housed together, and separately from cismen.

If anything, the biggest problem of policy are trans-men, who would likely feel much more concerned by being housed with cis-man prisoners, but who would also make women uncomfortable.

[ryan93]

The desire of women not to be housed with men has nothing to do with the interior gender experience of the male in question.

[tsimionescu]

Sure, but it also has nothing to do with their chromosome structure. It has a lot to do with their gender expression, in the end.