[chrisco255]

Right now, we have a host of problems, almost all of them manmade, but no, they're not related to the state of nature or even mankind's influence on nature.

We are on the brink of world war three and the UN's only reason for existing is to prevent that from happening again, but instead of doing its job it's playing propaganda games with the word 'disaster' to make you think a global carbon tax is the solution to all of your problems (even though deaths from natural disasters are at all-time lows: https://ourworldindata.org/natural-disasters).

We've got major inflationary pressures triggered from man-made economic policy decisions compounded by the incredibly disastrous decision to attempt to shut down whole economies in the vain attempt to prevent human beings from breathing in the same air space as each other. That was a disaster. We are still living with the chain reaction of that stupidity, and China is still running with it in Shanghai, maybe because power is kinda addictive, even when it's horribly disastrous, I don't know.

The last thing we need is more centralization of power vis-a-vis the UN.

[lapcat]

> We are on the brink of world war three and the UN's only reason for existing is to prevent that from happening again, but instead of doing its job

What do you think the UN is supposed to do when one of the permanent members of the Security Council with veto power decides to go to war?

The foundation of the UN depended crucially on the temporary alliance between the United States and the Soviet Union during World War II. This alliance quickly fell apart though, leading to the long "Cold War", which arguably still exists, apart from a short lull in the 1990s. When the US and Russia are at odds, it's almost impossible for the UN to perform its function. The veto power of the permanent Security Council members ensures that the UN has no enforcement mechanism over those individual nations. This was by design of the founding nations: the United States and Soviet Union never gave the United Nations the power to constrain the United States and Soviet Union.

Having said that, World War III not inevitable. There were only 20 years between WW1 and WW2, while we've gone more than 75 years since WW2, so maybe the UN has done its job?

[p_l]

China is running it all across China, it's just that Shanghai fucked up implementation (central government set guidelines, provinces then implemented them adjusted to local situation).

Unfortunately reality of exponential growth of easily transmitable virus like COVID-19 (recorded cases where infection happened due to sharing common sewage main) is that if you don't keep it contained early on, you're fucked.

[MrMan]

we definitely need a global carbon tax and more centralization , ie a world government

[temp8964]

Also do remember WHO played political game on the side of China at the beginning of the pandemic. That’s one of the reasons we got in this new SARS.

[I_DRINK_KOOLAID]

Wuhan had its first cases on Dec-17th , on Jan-14th the sequence was out and shipped across the globe.

If you think that delay is bad wait and see if a pandemic develops in Yemen or in Sub-Saharan Africa...those countries would need 8-9 months to notice an outbreak not to mention sequencing.

We have an example with HIV. It made the leap somewhere in Africa between 1945 and 1952. The world noticed it when it arrived to developed countries in the 1980s...

Hatred against China is cheap talk, when it's time to discuss the quality of life haircut that a complete decoupling would cause all of a sudden each and every person (be it a professor, a dude at the bar or anybody else) is only looking for an off-ramp to get off the conversation and blame Davos/Schwab/the illuminati. This is true in NYC as well as Shanghai

[sidewndr46]

Are you really suggesting that the first case of COVID was actually documented medically? Or that Dec 17th was the first case that was documented? It seems highly unlikely anyone actually ID'd patient zero.

[temp8964]

Yes. China with a level 4 biolab should be compared to Yemen or Sub-Saharan Africa. LOL.

[sgift]

There are two BSL4 labs in Sub-Saharan Africa. One in Gabon, one in South Africa.

[temp8964]

Then he should name specific countries, not just the region.

[newsclues]

And remember that western leaders and elites went along with Chinese leaders!

[TheSpiceIsLife]

Not all of them.