[jeffrallen]

I just got a job in the EU by watching on my desired commute path for new company signs I hadn't noticed before, then researching them. I found a startup in an industry that interested me, made an effort to network my way into the eyes of the CEO, and then made myself available when he had work available.

The whole process took 9 months.

The front door of companies is always locked due to the unintended consequences of trying to scale up HR and recruiting. Hang out by the side door, and an insider will let you in. (Remember that "bad recruiting" is a problem insiders are trying to solve, just as you are.)

[mathverse]

9 months is an absolutely stupidly long for an EU position.

The pay is so meh that it is not worth it

[blagie]

I've generally taken at least that long looking for new jobs.

It depends on whether you want /a/ position, or /the/ position. My past few jobs have been perfect fits for my background and interests, and I genuinely enjoyed work.

A random SWE position is petty fungible. Perfect fits are rare. Markets are pretty inefficient too, so you can command better salary or benefits, if you want.

[jeffrallen]

Or better commute, meaning of work, or intellectual stimulation.

Put yourself into a situation where you can take your time, then take it. You are responsible for making your own reality.

[LightG]

Agree with all of the above. Currently in a stable job and 6 months and counting into my job search.

Absolute desire to leave but not for some rubbish compromise out of desperation. It can be frustrating but I believe it will be worthwhile to get the right role. And, importantly, I'm in no despeate rush.

[jeffrallen]

9 months is a typical amount of time it takes to network your way into a company.

The key is patience, persistence, keeping multiple options open, flexibility, and understanding the needs of your future colleagues. When it works it looks lucky, but you can't rush "luck" of this type. :)

[mathverse]

That does not sound right?....Usual IT positions in Europe (50-80k jobs) always took max 1-2 months for me.

[jeffrallen]

If you apply by the front door, and get in, fine, maybe you get some job in 2 months. But the best jobs are not available that way. Mine was not.

[mathverse]

I partially agree but in Europe (with a mortgage) I am no longer able to judge what's a good job vs "the best job".

[0xfaded]

I think there's some wisdom in this. A huge amount of talent is about to be unlocked and a lot of BS cleared.

The good ideas will continue to be funded, so keeping a keen eye out and being in a position to jump makes sense.