[benrbray]

> The one group of people I don’t get are the ones who suggest people should be forced to work from the office, and not able to decide for themselves.

I guess I can give a bit of perspective. I don't think people should be "forced" into 100% office work, but I can say that as a junior engineer, I am wildly more productive when I'm in the office with my co-workers compared to at home alone.

I graduated into the pandemic and my first job out of school was full-remote. My company had no idea how to effectively manage remote workers and after two years I knew barely anything about my coworkers except their names, and I could feel my career stagnating. WFH was lonely, inefficient, and since my home was my office, I had no escape from the stress of work. Whenever I was at home I felt guilty for not working.

I recently quit that job and started a new one. The first thing I asked prospective employers was whether they had office space I could work from. I'm much, much happier working from the office and benefit greatly from my other coworkers who choose to commute.

Part of the problem is that the benefits of in-office work are long-term and asymmetrical. You might not benefit from being in the office, but other people might benefit greatly from having you there. Senior engineers should consider passing down knowledge as part of their responsibilities -- there might be ways to accomplish that remotely, but a lot of that transfer happens organically when colleagues share meals, walk outside together, etc..

Being in the office also gives me a chance to interact with people at the same company who I don't directly work with -- sales people, office managers, etc.. For me, WFH takes all the enjoyment out of work, leaving only the bad stuff.

[dunefox]

> I am wildly more productive when I'm in the office with my co-workers compared to at home alone.

I get next to nothing done during a whole day in the office. Over 2 1/2 hours commute a day, and then I have to sit there with (my own) ANC headphones on because people talk all day. Then there's coordinating where and when to go eat which can take up to half an hour. People come around to talk. I'm basically at 10-20% of productivity compared to WFH.

[benrbray]

That's a rough commute indeed. I do wish American cities (for instance, idk where you are) made it simpler to live close to with without sacrificing too much in other areas of life. It's one reason I now live in Tokyo.

Other than the commute, I think those are all things that a cohesive team should be able to resolve. It's definitely important to set boundaries in a shared space. I don't agree that the answer is to entirely retreat from the office though, as much as I do understand that inclination.

Also, just a thought: your colleagues might find the discussions they have with you to be really valuable to their own productivity / job satisfaction.

[dunefox]

> Also, just a thought: your colleagues might find the discussions they have with you to be really valuable to their own productivity / job satisfaction.

Might be the case but when compared with a 30 second commute it's hard to care about that.

[atty]

That sounds to me more like a team failing to adjust to a good WFH setup than anything intrinsic to the difference between WFH/office work. To be clear I’m not in an engineering role, I’m more of an applied scientist, but I started my newest job the day my company forced everyone to work from home for the pandemic, and overall my experience was very positive. Got lots of support and help, spent lots of time in slack/webex with senior members of the team, and overall had a great experience with onboarding. Only part I didn’t enjoy was IT working through all the hiccups of switching to WFH.

[brianpan]

> That sounds to me more like a team failing to adjust to a good WFH setup than anything intrinsic to the difference between WFH/office work.

The team failed to adjust to WFH because intrinsically team building, knowledge sharing, mentoring, etc. is more difficult when working remotely.