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by zozbot234 1499 days ago
> Police brutality is the direct effect of a state trying to uphold it's monopoly for violence.

The only alternative to a monopoly on violence is an open turf war among crime gangs, quite probably involving far more brutality. There are plenty of nation states outside the U.S. with better run police and no gang wars, implying that they do manage to successfully regulate (i.e. "monopolize") the initiation of force. These things have basically nothing to do with each other.

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The prevailance of gang violence has it's root in social and economic imbalance, too. I do not disagree, police violence is different and not as "brutal" (can't find a better word) where I live, but of course I look onto the US as an outsider. I also do not think that letting society splinter into rackets would be preferable to the status quo, but I do think the status quo leaves a lot do be desired for the majority of people. EDIT: This shows itself e.g. in the organisation of precarised people in gangs. That police brutality and the state upholding it's monopoly for violence have nothing to do with each other seems far-fetched though. The police is the instution that guarantees this monopoly within the borders of every Nation state, it's quite literally their raison d'etre.
Whenever someone only offers me one alternative, I get suspicious.

Street gangs as they currently exist in the US were created by the prison system, an arm of the state violence apparatus. Conveniently, they're also an excuse to increase police budgets. More policing, in turn, puts more people into prison.

I don't think that alternative is actually even an alternative.

This is laughably incorrect. USA prison population peaked in 2008. Dogma sucks.