[this_is_eline]

While I believe that many things stated in this post are correct, this still has that hard 'old man yelling at the internet' odor.

If you are to compare stuff, stuff like modern razor cartridges and double-edged razors, you ought to mention the convenience side of the things. I hate being the devil's advocate, but shaving with 4-blade cartridge designed for easy shaving is still 'miles' ahead compared to shaving with double-edged razor. Miiiles ahead. And I use a double-edged razor 9 out of 10 times, so I would know a thing or two about it.

And that's not to say that are overly pricey. They are. Plus, if you account for different prices in different regions, the price difference is even more concerning.

The same is also true for some other appliances/services mentioned - tea bags and coffee machines are not just 'superficially convenient' they are wildly more convenient.

EDIT: As one person said in the comments down below, "What this article completely misses, is that there are more than two options.". That was my whole point, and I'm sorry if it came out the wrong way. Shaving is a personal preference, and you are free to do it however you like; but saying 'Shaving is too expensive and is a demonstrative example of how most consumer products are designed to extract more money from you rather than to improve your life, or the world, or to be in any way remotely good.' is just incorrect and insane.

[nzealand]

Shaving. It's not a religion. It's easy to experiment.

1. Don't shave. Grow a wild and wooly beard.

2. Electric clippers. For that permanent five o'clock shadow look.

3. Electric shaver. Easy.

4. Cartridge + foam. Smooth.

5. Double edge safety razor. Very smooth. Requires some skill.

6. Straight edge razor. Super smooth? No idea personally.

7. Laser. Also no idea personally.

What this article completely misses, is that there are more than two options.

I personally switch it up depending on what I am doing that day.

There is no right way to shave.

[mordymoop]

I wonder if people know that electric razors last like … ten years. I’ve owned, I think, two electric razors in my life, and I’m in my late thirties. I never have to replace any part of it.

[josteink]

My biggest issue with electric razors is that they never gave me as smooth a shave as using a razor-blade (or cartridge). That annoyed me enough to stop using it.

But sure, they do last forever.

[tomc1985]

For some reason, my time shaving with cartridges gave me the worst acne of my life by far -- including one zit that somehow festered into a massive welt that continuously refilled with fluid and wouldn't go away for several years. (I still have the scar) I still think there was something wrong with the shaving cream because my dermatologist was just as perplexed as I was and he was clearly out of his element as he seemed to be blindly throwing whatever he could at the problem.

These were the inexpensive mail-order discount razors and the special shave butter they advertised, I forget the name of the company but it was the first one I was aware of that bypassed the Gilette racket by doing everything via mail. (edit- DollarShaveClub?)

Smooth or not, I'm sticking with my electric razor.

[staindk]

Smoothest shave I get from an electric shaver/razor is by shaving in the shower with some face wash as "shaving cream" and using a wet shaver e.g. from the Philips AquaTouch line. Quick, easy, everything is clean after etc.

I'd say it gets very very close to a manual razor in terms of smoothness.

[curmudgeon22]

+1 for a decent wet shave razor.

[op00to]

You’re supposed to replace the heads of electric shavers every year or two, they do dull. Whether you need to or not probably depends on your face and whether the blade irritates your face.

I’ve never replaced any heads on my shavers either. I lose them before that.

[jokethrowaway]

At a 50-100 price point they seem to break around the 3-5 year mark.

I got a cheap one sub 20 and it lasted 3 months.

I tried getting a wired one hoping it will last a bit longer.

It may just be me, my hair is really hard.

[karmakaze]

I'm not particular about keeping a specific look so don't shave every day. Some days I'm clean shaven, other days with shadow+ and sometimes with more.

The most convenient thing was a Gillette Styler that would last for I can't count how many months, but was ultimately disposable. I later found a MINISO brand that was less than half the cost that was rechargeable with only minimal paper packaging. Not as close but good enough. Ultimately it's disposable too but I'm still on my first one.

[autoexec]

I don't think the article was attempting to say there are only two choices, just that some choices are pretty shitty compared to some alternatives that exist and that it's gotten harder and harder to access some of those alternatives.

I'm in the electric clippers camp personally. A good model can easily last you 10+ years and keeps my dry skill happier. I'm lucky they are still easy to find. Good luck finding a straight razor in your local shops if that's what you're into though.

[silisili]

Straight edge razors are the best when you've gone a bit too long without shaving, bar none. Nothing to clog up. It's a bit interesting and cathartic to basically watch a wall of itchy hair fall off your face.

While I don't think they require as much skill as people think, they are a bit harsh IMO. Some people probably can shave daily with them, but when I tried it was pretty rough on my skin.

[Diesel555]

If you want to try it out, how do you pick the right safety razor / DE razor?

Edit: Well I got the Merkur 34C after 23 minutes of research.

[thrtythreeforty]

Wait is it possible to shave with a laser? The only thing I've seen for that was the Kickstarter scam a few years ago

[digisign]

You use a light-saber, very carefully.

Ha, it is for permanent hair removal. Might be good for the upper cheeks, not sure.

[RajT88]

Upper cheeks for sure.

Also, as you get older, your ears.

[op00to]

I like my ear hair!

[RajT88]

To each their own I suppose.

[peterburkimsher]

8. Surgical mask! Nobody knows if I shaved.

Also protects others from my bad breath, or recycles the chocolate smell. :-D

[michaelcampbell]

> Shaving. It's not a religion.

Depends on where you go. The various DE/SE subreddits it absolutely is.

[noam_compsci]

I don’t think it’s objectively true that 4 blades is a better experience.

For me, and many many others who have tried both, eg in the subreddit for DE shaving, DE is much better for a) your skin and b) getting a close shave.

Your hair doesn’t need 4 blades running across it. It just needs one sharp blade over it.

Fair it may take one or two shaves to “get used” to the new way of shaving but that is only because most people start on 4-blade.

[Tao332]

I used a double-edge for years. Then I tried Harry's and was amazed.

However, the real trick is to get the eos brand sensitive shaving cream with shea butter and colloidal oatmeal. It might be marketed for ladies, but it's way better than anything you could waste your life whipping up with a brush.

[pmoriarty]

"the real trick is to get the eos brand sensitive shaving cream with shea butter and colloidal oatmeal."

I simply apply ordinary soap to my face with my hands when I shave with my double-edged razor.

It works just fine.

[karmakaze]

It's funny that I used to buy 'sensitive' shaving gel, and one day I thought what makes me think I have more than average sensitive skin? I then found out that soap works well enough.

[tomatocracy]

"Ordinary" soap does work but I find it tends to dry out more quickly than I can shave my whole face hence at home I use shaving soap with a brush. But when I travel I'll happily use the hotel's free hand soap at tbe destination to save the hassle of bringing more things through the airport.

[mikestew]

I always assumed that the sensitive skin isn’t on your face.

Soap is, indeed, “good enough”. But for a minimal investment you can buy the shaving soap cakes, cup, and a shaving brush. Way cheaper than the stuff in a can, a little more luxurious than hand soap.

[karmakaze]

I have all those accessories too but don't have an appreciation for the self pampering. Suppose I could drop by a barbershop for that.

[staindk]

I just use a face wash that lathers up nicely.

[gmiller123456]

    >but shaving with 4-blade cartridge designed for easy shaving is still 'miles' ahead compared to shaving with double-edged razor

What is/are the things you prefer with the cartridge? For me, I switched to the double edge a long time ago, and didn't really notice a whole lot of difference in what it does, but a big difference in price. I keep a cartridge for getting under my nose, but doesn't need to be replaced very often. For everything else I really don't notice a difference in shaving. I don't shave every day, so my razor tends to get clogged, and the double edged can be disassembled and cleaned in a couple of seconds while shaving. The cartridges can't really be cleaned out at all which leads to premature replacement and costing a lot more $$. Even when I did shave every day, I found I would try to suck every dime out of the cartridge, so I'd end up using a worse blade anyway.

I actually tried switching to a straight razor. Found it requires a lot more skill than I'm willing to put in to learning. But it appeals to me as the ultimate in reusability.

[BostonEnginerd]

The double edged safety razor is amazing for thicker facial hair. Even if I’m shaving every day, cartridge razors all get clogged on me. No amount of hot water gets it out, and the stuck hair roughs up my face like sandpaper.

The double edge safety razor is so much easier to clean out.

[molszanski]

This is interesting.

For me shaving with DE razor is miles ahead in comfort over cartridge

[asdff]

The thing is it takes skill and time to get there. Look at the reddit groups with everyone having some favorite brush or soap lather. The first few times you do it will probably go terribly too, maybe even ongoing. Meanwhile, 3 blade gillete can do an OK job with only a splash of water and a dozen strokes if you were in a true pinch. the skinguard is even better than old man mach 3. in a world where a pint of beer at a bar is now $15, i don't mind paying the $35 or whatever for a pile of cartriges that will last me a long long time. maybe i wait too long on changing the cartridge though so ymmv but i find you can be sloppy and get away with a dull head for longer with that skinguard too than the stuff i was using a dozen years ago.

[this_is_eline]

> it takes skill and time

Yes, and, as I probably haven't said, I've been doin' it for 'years', and I do have a favorite soap/razor brand/razor handle... you name it... And I rarely ever (1/10 prob) get cuts, and the end result _is_ better, purely quality wise (double-edged razor is just sharper and can access spots, like under your nose, that 4-blade razor, let's say it's 4-blade, just can not).

My point is that after a while, you realize that you can get 80/90% of the quality with less than 20% of time invested. (Un)fortunately enough, the calculation is not that simple. You need to include the money factor, the frequency of shaving factor, the energy/focus factor (you can't just shave using a double-edged razor at 6am with your eyes still half way closed, and also expect no to cut yourself; you just can't, no matter how experienced you are - it is still 'razor' sharp :), with next to no safeguards, depending on your razor handle)... And I get that in many cases, the money factor is more (or the most) important, but you still can't just ignore all other factors.

That said, I strongly believe that modern 4-blade cartridges can/should be less expensive.

Also, I have next to no experience with electric razors, so take that into consideration. (Also, if anyone knows some electric razor model/brand that is well worth the money, I will really appreciate the suggestion)

[jka]

Although I've used a few electric razors over the years (and much prefer using them to buying and keeping track of disposables), it's probably worth referring to a more detailed analysis of the options out there, so here's Wirecutter's writeup of recommended brands and models as of Dec 2021:

https://www.nytimes.com/wirecutter/reviews/best-electric-raz...

[hombre_fatal]

I think people who buy DE/SE razors often just like to partake in the accessories because they're selected from people who care enough in the first place to move beyond the cartridge razor. You certainly don't need brushes and nice lathers to use a DE. No more than you need them with a cartridge razor.

I have sensitive skin and a fresh DE blade cuts better with just water than a cartridge razor because it's sharper.

But before I got a DE razor, as an outsider, I also assumed you needed to take shaving seriously and be an accessories guy to use one, and thankfully it's just not true.

[pmoriarty]

"The thing is it takes skill and time to get there."

This is what I fretted over to no end before I actually tried shaving with a double-edged razor.

Turns out I needn't have worried, as shaving with a double-edged razor turned out to be exactly the same as shaving with a cartridge razor.

No special techniques needed.

"Look at the reddit groups with everyone having some favorite brush or soap lather."

All that stuff is completely unnecessary.

I just lather up some ordinary soap with my hands and smear it on my face before shaving with my double-edged razor and it works great. No need for any fancy equipment, creams, brushes, pre/after-shave, etc.

[mikestew]

Look at the reddit groups with everyone having some favorite brush or soap lather.

Better yet, don’t look. Just because dweebs want to spend their time fluffing their feathers in front of other shaving dweebs doesn’t mean that any of that is required. (And if shaving accessories is your schtick, go with my blessing as I tend to my own dweebery.)

And the first few times I shaved with a DE safety razor, it went fine. It’s a safety razor, not a straight razor, what are people expecting to happen?

[molszanski]

> The thing is it takes skill and time to get there.

This is interesting too, because it worked for me on the first / second try. Didn't have any learning curve at all. And I didn't use any fancy foam or anything. Just a regular cheap ~$2 foam / gel from the supermarket

[jlarocco]

> If you are to compare stuff, stuff like modern razor cartridges and double-edged razors, you ought to mention the convenience side of the things. I hate being the devil's advocate, but shaving with 4-blade cartridge designed for easy shaving is still 'miles' ahead compared to shaving with double-edged razor. Miiiles ahead. And I use a double-edged razor 9 out of 10 times, so I would know a thing or two about it.

For 4-5 months of the year (summer) I shave my head 2x or 3x a week, and I don't understand this comment. How are cartridge razors more convenient than safety razors?

Safety razors are just hands down better, IMO. It's a more comfortable shave (depending on the blade), the blades can be bought in bulk for $0.05 cents each, they take less than 30 seconds to change out, they last longer than cartridges, and there's no plastic waste.

[this_is_eline]

Well, first, I don't shave my head (I understood that as shaving the top of your head), so I will have to take you on that. Secondly, I believe that most people don't shave their head but their facial hair (correct me if I'm wrong). Thirdly, not all double-edged razors are paired with handles with safety guards - there are open blade handles; but even if you amount for safety razors, you still get more accidents compared to a 4-blade cartridge (they are designed precisely to prevent cuts).

Also, I fully agree with the price factor - they are less expensive, and as a bonus there is no plastic waste (at least in most cases, depending on the packaging of your razor blades). But that was not my point.

That said, I don't work for Gillette (or any related company), and don't get commission for saying any of this (this is all just 'IMO' type of comment), and apart from anecdotal evidence (I've had multiple conversations with people with 20+ years of shaving experience, using both 4-blade razors and double-edged razors, and they all, more or less, share my opinion) I can't really provide any data (maybe I could try to find some, but I don't care about this topic 'that' much).

I hope that this clarifies my previous comment.

[stjohnswarts]

If you shave with a sharp double edge safety you are at 95% of whatever the "4 blade megarazors" do. The only ones I might like a little better are the bendy heads that conform to the face a bit better. But it's not worth destroying the environment or paying 20X as much for the blades.

[cormacrelf]

They make em bendy now? Hmm... back in DE land, the state of the art is holding the blade extremely rigidly with the clamp much closer to the edge. Think a woodworking planer rather than someone holding a floppy knife. Henson Shaving. Very good reviews on the site even in comparison to other DE razors, similar from people I know. https://hensonshaving.com/

[stjohnswarts]

Yeah like these, there are other brands too ... https://www.amazon.com/BIC-Disposable-Razors-Sensitive-Porta...

[wy35]

I don’t have the same experience. I bought a DE razor from AliExpress 5 years ago for $7 and it shaves just as comfortably and quickly as any multi-blade razor I’ve used.

[hackernewds]

Why do you then use a double-edged razor? something doesn't add up

[this_is_eline]

Everything adds up, but I can't really sum up everything in one comment (or maybe I could, but I haven't), and you are not reading all the other comments (at least I don't expect you to). There are factors other than convenience and price, and lately those factors add up so that a double-edged razor is my choice. There are times I use cartridges and there are times I don't. My main critique is that saying "Shaving is too expensive and is a demonstrative example of how most consumer products are designed to extract more money from you rather than to improve your life, or the world, or to be in any way remotely good." is _just_ incorrect.

[sergiomattei]

Yeah this doesn’t match up with my experience. Double edged gets to equivalent efficiency after the learning curve for me.

Perhaps my hair is just soft, and I suspect it is, but I started out taking 10-15 minutes and now I can do a quick shave in 5.

It lasts longer, it’s cheaper, and easier on my skin — I break out less often.

[golem14]

Hmm. Just for anecdata: my shaving takes maybe 40-60 seconds with a cartridge I keep about 6 months. Yes, I know, I should be ashamed :)