[kanonieer]

This matches my experience with Nim community and it's toxic leadership. The amount of petty drama the community leaders get involved with is unbelievable. Spending a few weeks on their Discord, and observing how the leadership interacts with new/opposing ideas is enough to get a clear picture. It doesn't inspire trust.

Contrast this to, say, Zig, their road-maps and community structure is light years ahead.

[planetis]

What the heck man? This doesn't match my experience at all. And I can't find your username on neither matrix nor discord. Did you just found a chance for a sucker punch and took it? I bet Zig is the wonder land.

[dinHeld]

It does fit my experience and you'll find me as a lurker in the discord. Though I'm not surprised you haven't noticed this. The mod in question is a master in gaslighting. I'm not sure I would have noticed if I didn't have personal experience with this level of manipulation.

It's not a coincidence you see the same name pop up, every time someone gets bullied out of the discord.

[planetis]

But those who got banned didn't they ignored the warnings, continued flaming and insulted other users? Will you pretend that people who behave themselves get banned?

[dinHeld]

Oh, they absolutely ignored warnings and used rude insults. And if you were in their situation, you would have too.

Have you ever dealt with someone that constantly lies and misrepresents your opinions to make you look like a villain? Have ever gotten frustrated, because the person you're arguing with is constantly shifting the goalpost to their benefit? Have you ever said something needlessly rude out of frustration? How would YOU react, if after dealing with all this disingenuous bs, YOU get told to watch your tone or you get banned for being toxic?

The justifications after a ban always make logical sense, true. But if you read through the logs with even a little bit of empathy, it becomes clear very quickly who the toxic person in those interactions is.

Edit: I'm not talking about a specific person getting banned. This happened numerous times, including newcomers.

[planetis]

I agree to some extend and that's why I believe bans should be lifted after 30minutes when people have calmed down. But on the other hand one should watch how he behaves and not blaming it on others.

[carterza]

dom96 simply needs to go - they are nothing but self-serving and they cause more damage to the Nim community than any other member by far.

I'm not even including the horrible software they've authored and cargo culted into the language's ecosystem and tooling. That should be enough of an offense to be removed from any decision-making role.

[kanonieer]

You're proving my point. Any criticism must be an attack (e.g. suckerpunch in this case) and must be met with heckling and banning. Zig is no wonderland, but I haven't experienced things like the creator of the language personally engaging in almost every drama and banning community members.

[Tiberium]

In my experience the creator of the language (Araq) almost never engages in drama stuff. Are you perhaps mistaking him with someone else?

[elcritch]

To be fair Araq is sometimes a bit brusk. But in my experience he's generally handled flame trolls pretty well.

[planetis]

Why am I not allowed to be suspicious, with a new account doing advertising for Zig while creating controversy? How about you provide more details, instead of throwing accusations?

[kanonieer]

> advertising for Zig

This is the type of insecurity and paranoia one can expect to find when hanging out in Nim discord.

[planetis]

Do I know you? No. Are you extremely hostile? Yes. What did you expect?