Obviously Heroku have handled this horribly - but are any small startups out there considering replatforming? Still seems like a lot of hassle and the competition I've tried (Cloud66, excid3's thing) haven't been as good.
I'd maybe use this as an opportunity to prioritise moving everything over to AWS.
I'm sure for some it may be an unwieldy amount of work but for others (depending on tech stack etc.) it ought to be fairly doable. In the long run it'll save money too.
I’m interested in peoples experience with this and if it’s relatively true.
We (like many others I assume) pay more for Heroku than AWS as it allows us to “outsource” our dev ops. We are a small team (sub 15) with a decent sized, decade old app. We’ve had it on AWS before (and used platforms like BuildKite) but both required much more overhead (in terms of employee salary). Anecdotally I’ve heard the same from friends, though I understand AWS works well and is cheaper if you know AWS well.
> I’m interested in peoples experience with this and if it’s relatively true.
My personal experience is that AWS is always more expensive. You don't use AWS because of the cost saving you use it because:
* Top of the line h/w
* Always the first to bring out new features
* Very high availability of resource, like seriously I've never had a time even during the pandemic where they struggled with resource availability
* Resilience of AWS systems are very high
* Very good support
There was an article a few months back where a teams tried moving from Heroku to AWS to save money and ended up spending nearly 3x the amount. Heroku give more resource than you actually pay for by default and it turns out they were using the extra resource during normal operation. When they done their calcs for a switch to AWS they used the quoted resource that Heroku say you get and there system died due to being under resourced. They had to up the resource which pushed them well over their budget. I'll try and find the article.
AWS isn’t that bad when you use IaC like CDK. Clicking around in the console and trying to reproduce those steps when you have a new project or API is what will kill you
I looked at Render but they move data out of the chosen region (so out of EU) and that is a huge issue for our clients. They also proxy through Cloudflare which is another big problem when you are dealing with sensitive data.
The main problem is that data is transferred out of EU, it is simply not acceptable for a EU company regardless of any DPA (history have shown here that any such DPA would be invalid in the near future).
However some of our clients (for example in health or financial industry) would be concerned that data is proxied through a third-party, doesn't matter if it is encrypted (also it's unclear to me how keys etc are managed and what data Cloudflare can access).
btw: Render looks awesome but at the current offering is it not an option for us.
Understood on data transfer out of the EU. It's high up on our list. Also very happy to share details on CF encryption over email (support@render.com).
I'm sure for some it may be an unwieldy amount of work but for others (depending on tech stack etc.) it ought to be fairly doable. In the long run it'll save money too.