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by xkfm 1500 days ago
I'm currently doing an eating window of about 2-3 hours, but I don't really track it. However, to maintain my weight, I've been doing 1-2 days of very low calories, similar to the PSMF diet from back in the day. In practice, I just eat 1.8g/kg bodyweight of protein and still take my daily supplements.

I find not eating throughout the day helps me to maintain stable energy levels and focus. Also, on even on the vlc days I'm not any hungrier because I had a full meal the day before. No hunger pains or cravings at all.

One of the strangest sensations is still pooping 2-3x the next day even though I haven't eaten anything. You quickly realize that all the food you ate takes longer to fully process than you thought.

I usually eat after work and going to the gym. In order to make sure I can still exercise; I just make sure to have some electrolytes in the water I take to my gym and I'm usually fine. Sometimes it gets sketchy on intense days, but if I know it's going to be a hard day in the gym, all I need is about 30-50g of carbs and I'm fine.

My diet still isn't very good. Typical American diet. However, I find it easy to eat high octane foods that used to put me on my ass literally or mentally if I've been "fasting".

Fasting is my favorite way to maintain and lose weight. It's very braindead, time efficient, and cheap once you get used to it. After you become more aware of your bodies hunger sensations and all the habits you have wrapped around food, the biggest thing with "fasting" is making sure you get enough electrolytes.

I've done a few pure water fasts up to a week in duration and a few 2-3 day dry fasts with one four day one. Pure water fasting I tend to be fine for about 4 days and then my energy/focus will start to drop. Dry fasting it happens in about two days.

Technically it's not fasting with the electrolytes. But for weight loss, it doesn't really make a difference.

It's interesting watching science tease out the benefits of very low calories versus very low calories and a restricted eating window. In a weight loss context, I don't think it matters that much really in terms of additional weight loss.

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Super interesting - you are describing my experience with fasting to a tee, it’s almost eerie.

I also have a eating window of about 2 hours. It’s super easy to follow on since I never eat breakfast and most days I skip lunch too. The only time I eat lunch of theres a social reason, e.g going out to eat with a college or friend and I don’t want to weird them out by not eating.

I’ve done multiple 2 day water-fasts and my longest fast was 5 days. What you mention about electrolytes is 100% my experience as well, you need to make sure you get enough salt even if that means just drinking plain salt water. Not supplementing 5-10g of salt really makes me feel like shit very quickly during a water fast.

> After you become more aware of your bodies hunger sensations and all the habits you have wrapped around food, the biggest thing with "fasting" is making sure you get enough electrolytes.

This is the big thing that many people don’t understand about how you function when you’re fasting. They think its like a Low Calorie Diet where you end up hungry and low energy all the time, but its strictly the opposite from my experience. Whats super interesting in my mind is this awereness that you also describe of understanding your body more. I can tell if I am hungry just because of the hunger hormone (which has basically no relation to if you actually need food), and if I am actually starving and need to eat because my body is lacking nutrients. It’s subtle but you can actually train yourself to notice this.

Have you noticed any significant mood changes as a result of fasting? Unexpected bursts of anger, impatience, being "too straightforward" with your peers or spouse etc? This is something I've experienced while on intermittent fasting.
These sound like withdrawal symptoms. It takes time for your body to adjust to a new regime, and for your mind to learn to ignore your bodily withdrawal screams.

I regularly fast (one day every two weeks), and the greatest benefit to me is a more mindful awareness of my gut: I can now tell the difference between feeling hungry because my body expects food and feeling hungry because my body needs it, and can easily decide to delay or skip a meal if I don't really need it. And, more importantly to me, I never feel the need to snack in-between meals.

Do you know if you lost more fat with a dry fast than an equivalent water fast?

I have a theory the body will sacrifice extra fat for its water content.

The converse appears to be true (lipolysis increases with hydration).

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/14681716/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4901052/

Breakdown products of fat are something like 16% water, but you also need enough water for hydrolysis of triglycerides to get lipolysis going.

What is/was your motivation for two, three and even four day dry fasts?
Great. Fasting is easy way to be in shape and also build muscle.
Fasting isn’t going to get you “in shape”, you need some sort of exercise for that.
Peter Attia who has done extensive self-experimentation with fasting for health and uses it in his medical practice noted that without strength training during fasts his body fat really increased.

https://www.menshealth.com/fitness/a37508857/intermittent-fa...

I'm a Christian. One of the key points of fasting is to humble yourself; it is a way of saying "food is less important than my relationship with God".