[guelo]

> both the Touch Bar and the butterfly keyboard are gone now

Everybody was surprised by that because they've so rarely admitted that they were wrong. It took Jony Ive's departure for it to happen.

[jfk13]

I realise it's uncool to say so, but I quite like the Touch Bar on my MBPro.

[macintux]

I find it valuable on occasion; I certainly understand why they were reluctant to give it up, but they should have either pushed harder for its success or given up sooner.